{
"post": {
"title": "Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered VS Original | Final Graphics Comparison | Analista de Bits",
"selftext": "",
"url": "https://youtu.be/cZ1ToNkRrxQ?si=OgdUaJwkGA-KBoNo"
},
"comments": [
{
"body": "Does HZD remastered have a PS5 pro update included to come as well?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Says so on the PS store"
},
{
"body": "Yeah it’s pro enhanced, it’ll like use the new method guerrilla developed for upscaling for the decima engine. Interesting that they aren’t using PSSR."
},
{
"body": "Yes, according to Digital Foundry, the launch version already includes the PS5 Pro code so it will just work when the Pro launches.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Might save the included DLC for Pro mode then"
}
]
},
{
"body": "+20$ over the remastered update price, so you can have the Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered Pro®. \n\n/s"
},
{
"body": "That'll be another 10$ in like 6 months.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Why you making shit up? Everyone here is so cynical, it becomes so grating. I think you guys like complaining more than just playing games. Also, the $ goes before the number when talking about a dollar amount.\n\nThis has the enhanced label on the store. It'll support the pro on day one when the pro releases.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "But making things up to be outraged about fills me with righteous anger. "
}
]
},
{
"body": "It's Pro enhanced already."
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Push square did a wonderful comparison.\n\nIt truly looks insane, it's not just like a better resolution it's the entire world of the game.\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/5w6cwkoi3zxd1.jpeg?width=1520&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f67b751736b4b911c70ea424f664d8ae0edeb4b1",
"replies": [
{
"body": "This should honestly be the definitive standard for something to be called remaster.\n\nA lot of \"remasters\" just have modern resolutions and framerates and better textures. That's rather a simple port than what an actual remaster should be.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "A lot of them don’t even have that"
},
{
"body": "I think Metroid Prime Remastered still probably has everyone beaten.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Diablo II: Resurrected is perfect",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Best remake imo that i have played are spyro reignited."
},
{
"body": "It’s a remake at this point.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I don’t think it can really be called a “remake” when the old games code is running underneath it at all times and you can swap to the old school visuals instantly. I see what you’re saying though, the visuals definitely are several generations leap ahead of what it originally was.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Thats what remake referred to originally. Game with original redone graphics meant to look like a modern game. Re2 changed that where its basically a new game but with a similar story and shared characters. Those should be called reimaginings or reboots cause they dont resemble the old games\n\n. But remaster meant its the same game but with a higher resolution, maybe some cleaned up assets and a higher framerate. Like those uncharted and god of war collections on ps3 and 4. Now people call anything that isnt something like the resident evil remake or ff7 remake a remaster. The first game that kind of changed how people thought of remasters was modern warfare remastered. Cause that game fit the definition of remake but it wasnt titled that.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "yea, because they originally took it from movies (like remastered from DVD to blu ray, or original film remastered onto 4k blu ray). \n\nOnly, in movies, it was literally the same movie at higher resolution (possibly fixing color grading or adding HDR, but still the same movie shot for shot).\n\nits weird that it mutated to the point where people have to decide if its a remake or remaster, nowadays, lol"
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "These are the best imo\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/1is4qql6t4yd1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ccfc9b34ccca8980d303b570e12dc82d1a616c8e"
},
{
"body": "It looks nice but this blows that out of the water tenfold.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Yeah, the graphics are better. But Horizon already looked good, this jump isn't big. The jump between MP1 and MP1 remaster is leagues larger.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I mean in terms of stuff they did. Metroid was mostly a resolution bump. This they redid the lighting entirely and did 10 hours of extra motion capture among other things.",
"replies": [
{
"body": ">Metroid was mostly a resolution bump.\n\nI'm sure you've gotten a lot of replies to this effect already, but\n\nNo the fuck it wasn't \n\nThey redid the lighting entirely in Metroid Prime as well, and redid every texture and surface of the game. It was essentially a full remake that just happened to play the same as the original (though they upgraded the controls, as well)"
},
{
"body": "Metroid Prime remastered had every asset remade with a new lighting system, it's leagues better than the original. Take a look at some footage."
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Looks that way to me too and Metroid Prime is one of my all time favorite games that I have played through and finished many times.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Oh Metroid Prime got me to dust off my Switch for sure."
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "I like Age of Empires 2 DE and Age of Mythology Retold",
"replies": [
{
"body": "AoE2 DE felt like a new game"
},
{
"body": "Age of Mythology is such a great game."
}
]
},
{
"body": "Agreed. Metroid Prime Remastered is the bar."
},
{
"body": "One dreams of how it could look on something more powerful than the switch."
},
{
"body": "resident evil 4",
"replies": [
{
"body": "That's a complete remake though, different discussion",
"replies": [
{
"body": "or is horizon a redone😉"
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Because there’s a significant amount of generations of tech between both releases."
},
{
"body": "Metroid Prime Remastered is not even close to the levels of detail and improvements here lol. Yeah, it's a good upgrade, but Prime was a Gamecube game, and it doesn't really even look that great on a Switch. You need emulation to make it look decent. And it's only really just decent IMO. Dated because Switch is garbage.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Dude, you're completely missing the argument. Horizon already looked good, this upgrade is not that big of a step. I'm saying that the difference between Metroid prime Remastered and the original is much, much larger than the difference between HZD 1 & this remaster. Of course the switch doesn't look better, you're completely misrepresenting my argument.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Metroid Prime doesn't look that great. To Switch plebes it might, but blown up as is on a 4K monitor LOL. Y'all have no idea what it takes to actually make these 4K upgrades to games. It's way more work than Prime will ever be in its current state. Horizon already looked decent. It wasn't GREAT or mind blowing except maybe at the time it came out on console for console players.\n\nThis upgrade is definitely huge and technically way more demanding than Prime."
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "When I think remaster I tend to just think higher resolution this looks more like a remake. When we got rumors of this before it was officially announced I figured it would basically just be zero dawn but in 4k instead of 1080p or what ever it was with backwards compatible on ps5"
},
{
"body": "This doesn't look like a remaster, it looks closer to a full on visual remake - like what Bluepoint did for Shadow of the Colossus or Demons Souls, just with a smaller tech difference between the versions. It looks amazing, but it also *no longer looks like the original game*, and once that happens it's not a remaster anymore in my book.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "The thing is that Zero Dawn Remastered does retain some vestiges of the original's technical makeup, so I think it's fair to call it a \"remaster\". It is vastly updated and looks fantastic, but it's still not really at the level of Forbidden West. As with all things Guerilla is involved in, they really did go the extra mile to create something special here, but when you look at the details, it's clear they mostly went back and updated the existing game instead of recreating it from scratch.\n\nIt's still top-of-the-line work, but it is distinctly different from something like The Last of Us Part I in its nature.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "It's very very close to the sequel at this point in time. They created plenty of stuff from scratch or just base concept stuff. Not all of course, but a decent amount for damn sure."
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "I think this borders on a remake. In my mind, a remaster is better resolution and higher frame rate.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I agree that this \"borders\" a remake, but that's pretty much what i believe remasters should do. \nWe don't really have an industry standard when it comes to the definition of this.\n\nAt first, it used to be:\n1. Port -> Same game but optimized for different hardware\n2. Remaster -> Same game, same engine but a lot of things redone to have the game closer to a modern release (can include changes to hud, menu, controls, geometry, animations etc.)\n3. Remake -> The general idea of the game remade from scratch with a new or overhauled engine, allows for biggest changes beyond visuals and user experience (changes to gameplay, changes to story, changes to level design etc)\n\nI really don't know when it all started to get confusing to the point of developers and publishers even getting it \"wrong\"."
},
{
"body": "What makes you feel like it borders on a remake compared to other remasters? Genuine question!",
"replies": [
{
"body": "For me personally, I think their attention to the world, the foliage, new weather and lighting effects, and then also the hours and hours of re-recorded dialog, updated cutscenes, it just feels like this game was dang near remade.\n\nI saw someone jokingly say that it’s more of a “remakester” and I agree! I wouldn’t call it a full remake, but I think they put in way more effort than what we would traditionally see in a remaster. But just my subjective thoughts!",
"replies": [
{
"body": "That's awesome, I wasn't able to watch the video so I didn't know they were doing all that. I'll definitely have to pick it up again. Haven't touched horizon since the launch of the first game"
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "*cough* Mass Effect LE *cough*"
},
{
"body": "Yeah they even fixed animation in this. That was surprising to me."
},
{
"body": "Demon souls would be the standard imo",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Demons Souls is a Remake, not a Remaster",
"replies": [
{
"body": "That's fair. My b."
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Looks over at the RDR1 Remaster:"
}
]
},
{
"body": "Why use such an awful image to make this point?"
},
{
"body": "So they basically made this game look like its sequel? That's pretty cool!"
},
{
"body": "Damn. A remaster that is actually a remaster?"
},
{
"body": "Screenshot definitely not doing it justice I guess"
},
{
"body": "PushSquares comparison was a little unfair, since they say at the start the remaster is Fidelity30 and the original is Performance60. Should compare performance to performance. Because there's often a difference in density of things like vegetation between Fidelity and Performance, as well as lighting at times.\n\nDon't get me wrong, I have ZERO doubt the remaster will look better in all scenarios. But the comparison is also a tad unfair."
},
{
"body": "Hey, everyone on reddit told me it was unnecessary and will look basically the same and they should’ve spent resources on a bloodborne remake instead"
}
]
},
{
"body": "I am so glad I never played this and now have the digital copy for 4 Euros and the upgrade for another 10 waiting for me.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Almost in the same boat myself…\nI played an hour last week for the first time ever when moving about games onto a new M2SSD, and got hooked right away. \nKnowing it’s ready to play now on the PS5 is gonna be a killer to wait until Pro delivery day…",
"replies": [
{
"body": "You’re the first comment I’ve seen in the wild of someone buying the pro. Enjoy, wish I had the money haha. I just got the ps5 last week after like 4 years saving.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Ah you’re gonna have an amazing experience. \nPeople ran down the PS5 kinda at the start saying it wasn’t that much of a leap, but it is. \nReally fast loading times, better dualsense controller, though it will take a wee while to get used to with the size difference. \nYou’re gonna have a blast!\nAnd to christen it with HZD Remastered 😍\n(Couldn’t find the chefs kiss emoji as it would’ve been more apt! lol)\n\nAnd I didn’t really have the money, but was diagnosed disabled a few years back and don’t drink or smoke or go out anymore, so gaming is my release, or escape from reality, so why not? 😉"
},
{
"body": "The base ps5 is still amazing. Graphics are still incredible so don’t feel like you’re missing out not having a pro console. Truth is, you probably won’t notice the better graphics unless looking at pictures side by side."
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Got it off the free weekend in covid. Best money I never spent, so def getting this whenever I replay."
}
]
},
{
"body": "Seeing the level of improvement here, I can't help but think how good a game like Witcher 3 would look with this kind of remaster. I know different devs, different software, etc. But the world of Horizon just looks so beautiful, and I can't help but feel like Witcher 3 with that coat of paint be jawdropping to look at.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Didn't the Witcher 3 get a pretty hefty (and entirely free) update to the visuals this year?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Yes, pretty substantial upgrade but not to this level."
}
]
},
{
"body": "Playing the Witcher 3 on pc after the next gen update on ultra and having all ray tracing options turned on actually look really good. They’ve done a good job with it I feel. Still has some of the most realistic forests I’ve seen in a game"
},
{
"body": "Witcher 3 already got a next-gen update that was basically a remaster exactly like this. It was a pretty significant improvement imo.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Yeah but the PS5 version is 60fps with drops and 1440p, correct? The haptic feedback is nice tho. I should play it on PC to enjoy the mods but I always overdo it and give up",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Not sure about the PS5 performance but I wouldn't be surprised if it's heavy - it's heavy on PC as well, especially with ray tracing enabled... sure looks good though."
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "The fish actually move!"
},
{
"body": "Besides the visual upgrade, is there any extra content in the new version? I'd love to go back to it but I'm not itching to get back into another open world game because I just finished one big one called Elden Ring and I'm a little burnt out...buuuuut if there's a couple of new side quests, then I'm down to boot this baby back up!",
"replies": [
{
"body": "They did a bunch of mocap to make some of the dialogue scenes look more life like."
},
{
"body": "No, it's just a visual upgrade."
},
{
"body": "Is Elden Ring good? Someone told me they beat it in under 3 hours and I didn't believe them",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Not who you asked but it's basically my goto standard for an open world:\n\nNo cookie cutter checklist rewards, you can't know before entering a place what rewards you'll get ,which makes exploration worth it"
},
{
"body": "It's incredible. I barely play this genre of games and my only prior experience is beating Bloodborne and this game is so much easier to get into because of the awesome open world game design. But that's not even my favourite thing. My favourite thing is how the map reveals itself with exploration in mind. You know how in open world games you already have the entire map under a fog and you can kinda get a sense of the scale before discover all the locations? Well, this game is like fuck that, that's stupid AF. Basically the map is a tiny square when u start out and as you keep going around, the map expands. And when you think you've uncovered it all, the game is like hell nah bro, you're just scratching the surface and I wish every open world game followed this design principle and it's why I never felt burnt out when I was playing this. \n\n \nAlso I seriously doubt someone beat this under 3 hours. I need video evidence because that's a bold ass claim.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "seems like he was a speed runner and the game is easily doable in under an hour without glitching it if youtube videos are to be believed"
}
]
},
{
"body": "Elden ring is amazing"
},
{
"body": "You can speedrun Morrowind in under three minutes; that doesn't really have any bearing on whether the game is good.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "People downvoted you because you're right smh"
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Does it change any of the physics, or combat. Did they update it to be like the 2nd game? This is one of my fav games all time. I went and upgraded my tv and to a PS4 Pro for this game when it launched.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Combat is the exact same it seems, but they added a lot of the settings from FW like no pick up animations",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Nice. I kind of liked the first games combat and weapon system over the 2nd game. It felt like too much in the 2nd game",
"replies": [
{
"body": "[deleted]",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Felt better in the first, unless I have rose colored glasses",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I agree with you FWIW"
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "The real question is will we be able to get the shield weaver armor early still??? Hands down best looking armor in the game.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "How? Aren't some of the keys in areas that don't become available until you start certain quests?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "It’s true, but there are ways to sort of glitch your way into those areas before the missions are available. You can pretty much get all keys the second the map opens up to you. There’s a YouTube video I followed just a few weeks ago."
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Ya this remaster is insane. It’s truly like they just released forbidden west again. I cannot wait to play this tomorrow"
},
{
"body": "I’ve never played the original, is it worth the £30 for the remastered version on pc",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Easily, the game is solid. Beautiful open world that has very interesting lore. Fun gameplay with a great sense of scale and grandeur. Solid story especially with the plot line of the mystery of the past. The issues with the game are that aloy is a flat character and the plotline regarding the current world is not nearly as interesting as discovering the past. The dev has never been the best with writing stories and characters. But always great with gameplay and graphics."
},
{
"body": "Absolutely. It's a very chunky, substantial game, with an excellent Sci fi story and lore if you're into that. And that combat is very deep and fun once you delve into it. And thanks to the remaster it overcomes its more dated aspects too, like the wooden dialog animation etc."
}
]
},
{
"body": "‘Analista de Bits’ is one hell of a rad name"
},
{
"body": "Played it last night right when it launched, and after watching some YouTube footage of the PS4 version to remind myself how it looked like back then…\n\nHoly hell does the PS5 version look absolutely *jaw dropping*. Everything from textures, lighting, shadows, fauna, frame rate, etc excel wonderfully. Prioritizing Resolution and Prioritizing Frame-rate seem to actually be very steady as well; I didn’t notice any drops whatsoever in my play-through up to >!leaving the Embrace!<\n\nAlly and the NPCs in particular look so much more natural and even better than before. It’s downright amazing how good this looks. The Dualsense feature are also a really nice touch; loved how the controller rubles with the hitting of the drums during the ceremony at the beginning.\n\nThis game is a prime example of how a Remaster *should* be done. In fact, I’d argue this game is almost a borderline remake. But the one thing that keeps it from being a remake was that no new locations/machines/quests were added. Everything from the original is exactly the same, minus the improved mo-cap and added dialogue"
},
{
"body": "People hating on this remaster need to realise how much work goes into these improvements - very noticeable improvements, might I add.\n\nIf it ain't you, cool, don't buy, but for me, this looks to be a substantial upgrade from the base title.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "They just think it's a resolution, lighting and frame rate upgrade.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I just watched the Push Square and Gameranx videos, and it's become Forbidden West in terms of quality. The original is now on par with the sequel, and I'm grateful 🙏 \n\nPlus, no one's mentioning all the added Dualsense functionality. For £10, this is insane value for money and it makes an already great game even greater.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "That’s more exciting than the graphics for me",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Easily. Plus, they added a load of gameplay and accessibility options from Forbidden West, as well as some QoL changes. It's actually got me excited about another playthrough."
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Sure yeah it takes effort and time, but these remasters and remakes are getting ridiculous. Can't wait for Forbidden West remastered next year. Instead of remaking or remastering actually old games we have games from last gen that look and play just fine.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Dead Rising Deluxe Remastered? Lollipop Chainsaw Re-Pop? Metal Gear Delta? Soul Reaver 1 & 2? Beyond Good and Evil? Quake 2? Croc? Silent Hill 2? FF VII? Dead Space?\n\nThe existence of Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered doesn't negate the fact that older games ARE being remastered or remade. Perhaps you're just not getting the remaster or remake you want...\n\n🤷"
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "they went overboard with details in this game, can't even navigate the game because there's too much visual clutter. I hope they fix this in the next one.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "As much as I love both games and have started a NG+ run last night, I have to agree with you. Picking out details is actually more difficult because of the high detail. There’s so much going on visually it can get tiring. They’re both beautiful games and I wold argue HFW is the best looking game this gen so far, but when is the detail ‘too much’?"
}
]
},
{
"body": "Well, this got me to pre order for the 10 dollar upgrade. It looks awesome!"
},
{
"body": "Didn't expect it to be so a huge leap while the base had already good graphics back in the day. Aged well and with that overhaul now it's better than ever. Gonna replay it for sure."
},
{
"body": "I had got the original version with the god of war ps4 bundle back in Christmas 2019, got halfway through the game but never finished it…\n\nYeah I think it’s time to finish it now"
},
{
"body": "Naughty Dog should take notes for their next remaster.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I mean, TLOU2 Part 2 Remastered was unnecessary but there's no denying TLOU Part 1 (The PS5/PC remake) was quite the overhaul (Overpriced af tho)",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Can’t blame them for wanting to milk TLOU more though. The game and story are probably the best I’ve ever played personally. For people who want to replay with the best graphics the upgrade is worth it or if you have never played it then buying the remaster is amazing."
},
{
"body": "Ye i was talking about part 2",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I mean, TLOU 2 already looked insane and was of higher quality than HZD. There's not a whole lot they could've done to give it that same leap. It looks better than most new games today.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "It's funny bc multiple PS4 titles (at least Naughty Dog games) looked amazing due to their graphics. They only needed to unlock the framerate and resolution, primarily. \nHell, I'd enjoy Infamous Second Son more if they just removed the motion blur - small changes can make a big difference.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Exactly like just having TLOU 2 at 60fps but it above many actual ps5 games in terms of visual fidelity. Even Uncharted 4 still looks comparable to many modern games. I played through Lost Legacy again at 60 fps and some moments were jaw dropping. Not Horizon Forbidden West level but pretty damn close"
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "I can't imagine anything Naughty Dog could do to make TLoU2 look much better than it already does."
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "TLOU2 was more of a port/remaster and they added extra content.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "This is also a remasters. The new content was nice but the Graphics look exactly the same, makes no sense calling it a remaster",
"replies": [
{
"body": "No there was definitely a difference. Not as much as this but it was easy to tell when you played it. Plus it was still only $10 upgrade path."
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Part II remastered still looks better than this and it was a basic port lol",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I think this is a real “apples to oranges” comparison. One is a heavily linear game and the other is open world. One is focused on ultra realism and the other has a more whimsical art direction. I think both are master-class games in terms of pure technical performance. But still seeing what Guerrilla Games accomplished last gen and on current gen is more impressive in my eyes. We still don’t have a next gen ND game but it does speak volumes that P2 still looks better than A LOT of games this generation. How you feel about one games story versus the other is a different situation all together, but I think what Guerrilla has been able to accomplish with Decima is nothing short of witchcraft."
}
]
},
{
"body": "I would personally love it if they remade Uncharted 1-3. \nI loved 2, 3 and 1 but playing 1 today made me realize how old it is/I am lol. \nOfc I have no idea how much work that would be. \n\nAnd Sony probably wouldn't let them prioritize it at all due to TLoU being a smash hit all over. \nAnd they're focusing on TLoU3, right? Kinda like how I'd love a Sly Cooper collection remake... And Sly 5 lmao. \n\nBut I get why most ppl want new games over remasters (and remakes). I just wish we could have it all!"
},
{
"body": "TLOU2 had an entire new mode added and still looked fantastic. Still one of the best looking games ever made"
}
]
},
{
"body": "waiting for it on psplus"
},
{
"body": "I never took the time to finish HZD while it was still free on PS+. Now that this is coming out, they've removed it and you can only preorder the remaster."
},
{
"body": "I'm so happy it wasn't half-assed like plenty of other \"remasters\"."
},
{
"body": "Imagine if all remasters were done like this."
},
{
"body": "Jumped in last night for an hour and it was so satisfying to play again."
},
{
"body": "Is this comparing the PS4 Pro or PS4 Base version? because I could have sworn snow physics existed in the original when I played it on the Pro.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Snow physics got added in the Frozen Wilds DLC but wasn't in the base game, both on the PS4 and the PS4 Pro. Same way that the upgraded volumetric cloud system was added in the Burning Shores DLC but wasn't in the base Forbidden West."
}
]
},
{
"body": "Looks insane. Might have to replay this game."
},
{
"body": "I feel bad paying only 10 for this."
},
{
"body": "I really wish it had a fixed left aligned camera like forbidden west. Other than that I’m loving the remaster. ",
"replies": [
{
"body": "What’s wrong with it?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Iirc the camera kinda moves randomly based on what’s around you and player input instead of sticking to one alignment. I remember it being a bit wonky"
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "I have mixed feelings on this. It genuinely does look beautiful, but in some instances it changes the atmosphere of the game. Night scenes look amazing but it went from foggy/cloudy feeling to bright stars. Rost looks decidedly less \"aged\", some of the lighting enhancements removed the contrast in scenes, etc. But assuming this is closer to the artists original intent, awesome. Again it looks beautiful, and I certainly wont complain about bringing it to par with the sequel."
},
{
"body": "I didn’t enjoy this game"
},
{
"body": "Did people really call aloy ugly back then? She's stunning"
},
{
"body": "still cant get over how ugly alloy is lmao"
},
{
"body": "They made her face chubby like they did in the second game.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Call me crazy but I prefer the slimmer face",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Ya, everyone did. Her face looked so stupid in the second game.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "It's the exact same model - all the proportions are the same. You probably like the original game more because the sharp lighting and simpler skin shaders resulted in sharper shadows on faces. Different lighting makes faces look different. \n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/km1un69x91yd1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6b033ba6b1c6aaa8148b6ab7c445f9591eabfe1",
"replies": [
{
"body": "lol come on, just look at the faces. The jaw line is different, the cheeks are chubbier, even the nose and hairline have changed. It’s ok if you like chubbier, but don’t gaslight",
"replies": [
{
"body": "What you're seeing is shadows on the jawline and cheeks shaping the face. It's the same effect as makeup. You can take a pencil and draw out the edge of the Original face with the shadows included and you'll get the same shape. Which makes sense, seeing as it's the same reference.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "You’re seriously doubling down on your bs? Wow. Shadows don’t make a v shaped face and jaw in to a round face and completely different jaw line and chin."
}
]
},
{
"body": "Looks like a different person, like your playing as Aloys sister."
}
]
},
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}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Looks the same to me"
},
{
"body": "Started replaying today. Looks pretty damn good! Just bummed importing saves doesnt get you the trophies",
"replies": [
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"replies": [
{
"body": "I've done about 3 complete playthroughs (collectibles and all) before this remaster. I don't know if I have the time for yet another. Main story speed through would mostly be enough for me",
"replies": [
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"replies": [
{
"body": "While in NG+ you'll have most if not all skills unlocked, along with your favorite weapons, it may be difficult to reaclimate to the game if you haven't played in a few years. \n\nThat being said, it really depends on your time availability. Fresh regular start is tedious and takes time until you get the gear you like (like shield Weave), but it forces you to approach each fight carefully for most of the game. NG+ cuts the initial bloat, but it may be too difficult to jump in. \n\nFor me, I'm doing NG+ regular for my first full run and will do an NG+ highest difficulty for the trophy"
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Cool, now please do one of your good games. Like Killzone 2, please."
},
{
"body": "The remaster looks worse in a few of those shots towards the end of the video. The ones with the lady holding the basket, the baby and the old lady in the cave... the lightning just looks bad.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Nah this YouTuber is just notoriously bad and rushes to push videos to get views with zero technical analysis or expertise. Does a disservice honestly."
}
]
},
{
"body": "If nobody got me I know Analista de Bits got me . Can I get an Amen?"
},
{
"body": "The fact they have to label each tells you everything really. If it is t mind blowingly obvious, it’s far too early for a remaster. Obvious cash grab is obvious."
},
{
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"replies": [
{
"body": "Besides the easy money with people buying remasters and remakes, it's actually super useful for studios to work on stuff like this:\n\n1 - They can train new staff on the remastered games before they work on something new. They will do better when it's time to work full-time on Horizon 3.\n\n2 - They have something to release sooner rather than later and keep the studio (and cash flow) relevant. New games take 5 years+ to release and Horizon 3 is not coming any faster. I'd rather have remasters than no game from them for years.\n\n3 - You can't put the whole studio to work on a new game at once, during the early stages, only a bunch of people would have anything to do with it, before the whole studio can start creating levels, characters, etc. During these times, what are you going to do with the hundreds of other staffers? It's better to work on this than to fire them all.\n\n4 - You don't have to play this if you don't like it. It's not slowing down development of Horizon 3, at all, btw."
},
{
"body": "But this is one of the few case where a remastered does so much more than “add pixels” and ya’ll still complaining.\n\nThey are working on multiple new games, this doesn’t stop that",
"replies": [
{
"body": "This remaster wasn’t even done by Guerrilla, it was handled by nixxes with some oversight by the Horizon devs. It didn’t retract any substantial resources from horizon 3 which probably isn’t in full development yet, most likely the multiplayer game will release first."
},
{
"body": "You mean “ Horizon Online “ or some other horizon shit ?"
}
]
},
{
"body": "The tools and upgrades to their engine to make this remaster will be used for future games to make development faster and easier\n\nThat's partially the point of it. And gives them experience with PS5 Pro tech that can be applied to their current main game rhey are working on"
},
{
"body": "Plenty of people care lol, it can be the difference between replaying the game again in a new light and just not playing it again. \n\nThe resources to pull something like this off are not insignificant but they aren't even close to what it would take to put out a new game, and it was done by Nixxes so none of Guerrilla's resources are being used."
},
{
"body": "You sound ignorant"
},
{
"body": "My guess is money"
}
]
},
{
"body": "And here I am, playing a 22 year old game while these fuckers remaster a PS4 game. Bah"
},
{
"body": "Looks good idd. But I wonder, played forbidden west. Isn’t this gone be a game with less options and moves etc compared to west? Like take a step backwards? Is it gone be fun?"
},
{
"body": "What a fucking waste of time and resources 🤦♂️"
},
{
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"replies": [
{
"body": "Ah shit here we go again..."
},
{
"body": "Peach fuzz is normal for women, and varies. It's different from hirsutism/excessive hair growth."
}
]
},
{
"body": "The 10 EUR/USD upgrade is a good deal for someone who played the original a long time ago. But the original HZD still looks and plays great. I don't feel I'll be missing anything without the upgrade, even with all those enhancements. If they hadn't given the original the FPS boost with PS5, I'd probably be considering this.\n\n50 EUR/USD deal for those who don't have the game is a bit steep for a refreshed 7-year-old game in my opinion, even with all the graphical enhancements.\nBut to each their own I guess."
},
{
"body": "still a highly unnecessary cash grab."
},
{
"body": "But is the actual game any better?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Its the same game. Its a remaster.\n\nIf you don't like the game - this was not made for you. You still wont like the game."
}
]
},
{
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"replies": [
{
"body": "It costs £10 not 50"
},
{
"body": "That's not what they did at all but good job anyway"
}
]
},
{
"body": "Too bad, Horizon is not anime themed."
},
{
"body": "Aloy still ugly. Sheeeeshh",
"replies": [
{
"body": "This is the best looking version of her imo."
}
]
}
]
}