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"post": {
"title": "Light Of Motiram Announced By Tencent, And It’s An Obvious Knockoff Of Sony's Horizon Zero Dawn - PlayStation Universe",
"selftext": "",
"url": "https://www.psu.com/news/light-of-motiram-announced-by-tencent-and-its-an-obvious-knockoff-of-sonys-horizon-zero-dawn/"
},
"comments": [
{
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{
"body": "\\> China\n\n\\> IP theft\n\nRun the numbers again, there must be some mistake",
"replies": [
{
"body": "China would never do that! Let's outsource all our production and development there!"
},
{
"body": "[deleted]",
"replies": [
{
"body": "What are you talking about? Literally the first line of the article says this is only coming to PC."
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Just to be clear here, I absolutely think we should be able to make \"electronic/mechanical beasts in post apocalyptic world\" games and not be afraid of Sony suing us. In the same way palworld shouldn't be in legal trouble for having a monster capture mechanic that involves throwing the capture device at the monster.\n\nThat said, it would be nice if someone had *tried* to make the game differ somehow from horizons. Theres a difference in making a game heavily inspired by another, and simply putting a new name on the same game.",
"replies": [
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"body": "Sums up my feelings perfectly, and Palworld was the first thing I thought of. Especially since this seems to be a survival craft game, not a narrative focused RPG? So, mechanically, it may be different enough to not be straight up IP theft. But the thumbnail above is like it’s ripped straight from HZD. It’s clearly meant to make people think that’s what it is."
},
{
"body": "From what I read, this game is horizon + pal world. A coop game with base build which also let player capture and customize machines so it's not all same as horizon."
}
]
},
{
"body": "At least make them ancient stone beats powered by some primordial magic. That would have been a cool concept.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "There were SOOO many art directions they could’ve taken it in, like diesel punk, or cassette-futurism, or apple-minimalism, but nope! It’s just unmistakably Horizon.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Steam/diesel punk in a post apocalyptic Industrial Revolution London/England"
},
{
"body": "I think Generation Zero did the cassette style"
}
]
},
{
"body": "I mean, a new player can easily misunderstand this game for Horizon"
}
]
},
{
"body": "Lol, even thumbnail is almost identical "
},
{
"body": "I wonder how well it will sell compared to Horizon if/when it arrives?"
},
{
"body": "Don't buy this game, don't help fund Tencent, the CCP and general theft of ideas Chinese companies love to do."
},
{
"body": "I genuinely hate how shameless these fuckers are"
},
{
"body": "And what's anyone going to do about it?\n\nWhat does anyone do about anything Tencent does that's \"unethical\", borderline illegal or outright illegal?\n\nNothing.\n\nSo, they'll keep stealing."
},
{
"body": "I hope they buy the copy right from Sony and if they think they can just get away with this they must be really stupid. But again they spent money on this no way they just gonna flop it."
},
{
"body": "I saw this and I was actually bummed cause how the last HZD game ended lol. I thought it was a prequel I just thinking but I want more Alloy as the ending got real interesting for me"
},
{
"body": "Don't forget the enemies have the same combos 1 to 1 as elden ring (Asmongold showed this)"
},
{
"body": "Looks like Tencent has been sued repeatedly, including by other Chinese organizations, for all their copy pasta... so I'd be shocked if this quite literal plagiarism (e.g. the s/s that's basically HZD with a different avatar) was let through easily. I do think there could be something deeper at play though with it being released free to play. Maybe Sony is getting a payout from the lucrative in-game purchases that'll probably flood the experience. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯"
},
{
"body": "In the last year of my Masters at University of Arts, Utrecht, the Netherlands, I got to present my final master project to the audioteam of Guerilla Games. The project I presented with my team, consisted of animations and technical descriptions that detailed a specific way to create adaptive music in games, basically music that \"follows\" the actions of the player, similar to how a movie score follows events of a story. It was based on my ideas, and our teams research on the connection between game events and music, and how the mind perceives this connection. Guerilla's audio team was very enthusiastic and seemed impressed. Guerilla promised us that in our next meeting, a few months later, they would show us how their music implementation was planned for their upcoming Killzone 2 game. \nAbout 5 months later, in the last meeting before graduation, they told us they changed their mind and will not show us anything about Killzone 2's music system, because of NDA's. They could, however, reveal a little bit of info; Killzone's 2 music system worked \"somewhat\" like the system we presented to them in the first meeting. \nAfter the release of Killzone 2, several keynotes were given by Guerilla about their way of handling music at different Game Development conferences, and to my shock, watching those keynotes was like watching the presentation I gave to them more than a year earlier. \n \nThe disappointing thing is not that a company \"took\" the idea of a naive student and put it in a game that made them loads of money. The disappointing thing is that credit somewhere, in some way, by mentioning us or by thanking us or by just saying we inspired them, would have cost them nothing, and could have ment a lot for our post-graduation challenge of finding jobs, starting carreers, building a portfolio etc. I've always tried to not be bitter about this, and see it all as a compliment, so my idea was good, I have more than one good idea, move on... \nBut after seeing this video.😏🙄😌 \n \nLet's just say I hope events like this help them get a better understanding of why taking someones creativity, ideas and concepts without giving credit is never OK. Not from a big succesful company, and also not from a student."
},
{
"body": "Eh.. I mean nobody holds monopoly on mechanical animals/dinosaurs and red hair women with bows and tribal societies. \n\nPeople gave zero F about Palword taking pokemons and turn them into slaves. \n\nARK: Survival Evolved also had mechanical dinosaurs and tribal societies that progress to advanced technology\n\nNow it is OBVIOUSLY inspired by Horizon. But who knows how it plays. Might be fun, might suck. Maybe it will be a hit. Maybe it will be hit my SONY. Maybe it wont. \n\nGame looks nice and overall it looks like Horizon and ARK had a baby. Maybe this baby keep after Horizon a bit but hey at the end of the day who really cares. Nobody.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "There’s taking a new spin on things or taking inspiration from but this isn’t it chief."
},
{
"body": "Correct, no one holds the monopoly, but the game looks so similar to Horizon that I literally thought it was a new Horizon game being released until I looked the game up. This is a clear rip-off of Horizon."
}
]
},
{
"body": "They copied it and changed some stuff"
},
{
"body": "So? Palworld did it Pokemon",
"replies": [
{
"body": "And palworld is being sued for it 🤣"
},
{
"body": "Palworld was kinda different in my opinion"
}
]
},
{
"body": "Is it a knockoff if it turns out better?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Damn even tho he knows nothing about the game he’s already sucking Tencent’s dicks",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Most people prefer Oreo to Hydrox, sometimes the knockoff is better."
},
{
"body": "I mean to give them credit if you actually watch the gameplay trailer it both looks nothing like Horizon and unironically looks way more fun",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Did watch the same trailer? It was a minute long with couple of seconds of “gameplay”",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Yeah. Gameplay wise it looks more like Monster Hunter than Horizon. I think you need to rewatch lol.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I mean I thought it’s too early to decide if you like something’s gameplay or not based on these precious seconds lol like we haven’t seen the interface, we didn’t see shit about combat and the list goes on..",
"replies": [
{
"body": "No but you can judge this against Horizons trailer and the premise for this one looks more fun than Horizons.\n\nDo you not understand the concept of what a trailer does?\n\n“Looks” more fun isn’t the same as “this is confirmed to be more fun”"
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "It obviously does look like Horizon or we would be talking about it lol. That's the whole point. It's so close a copy that people have taken notice",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Art wise it obviously does you donut but gameplay wise its nothing at all similar relax yourself"
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "This looks interesting, it's as a coop survival which i'm way more into than an average boring rpg that was horizon"
},
{
"body": "Good games have innovative ideas. Great games copy good games and expand on them.\n\nI don't mind a knock-off if it's an improvement of the original - or at least good enough to enjoy.\n\nThere's no reason to bad mad as a gamer, optimally we end up with 2 enjoyable games.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Innovative implies they improve off of what already exists. This looks substantially less interesting and has far less promise than Horizon ever had.\n\nThe Horizon games are from a reputable dev with a new original setting.\n\nThis game is copying the worldbuilding of a successful IP just to make a live service piece of shit game from a dev known for killing their games quickly."
},
{
"body": "This is well reasoned until you remember it’s Tencent. Don’t get your hopes up.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I don't get the hatred. Tencent owns DE and Warframe, they are hands-off and allow their studios a solid amount of freedom in game design. I get it, China is not popular in the West - but it has undoubtedly produced some great video game titles lately.\n\nTencent might own it, but that doesn't mean that the studio is bad. I think we should at least give it a fair shot. The screenshots are looking good so far.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "The studio is bad. The hatred is deserved. Defending IP theft is weird.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "So, then why are you attack this game, but not Horizon for copying Zelda-style open worlds?\n\nNot to mention how missplaced the word \"theft\" is here, that implies that one parties gets some taken away, but nobody is being robbed of here. If anything, players win if one title is closely inspired by another: At worst it's some healthy rivalry pushing new entries in the Horizon franchise to become better, at best we have another great game to enjoy.\n\nThere is literally no negative for players. Well, maybe there's a minor setback for rich shareholders, but if it pushes PlayStation to deliver better and more desirable products in that future to beat the competition, it's also actually a good thing.\n\nThis brand loyalty towards big companies always irritates me. We should be happy for more games, not angry at it."
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Tencent is what allowed Larian to make Baldur's Gate 3"
}
]
},
{
"body": "\"Good artists create, great srrists steal\" is a good phrase but it misses a part of the truth: Shit, mediocre and good artists *also* steal.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "They do. So what? Players have literally nothing to lose here. If it's a bad game - skip it. If it's a good game - why complain? I honestly don't get the negativity here."
},
{
"body": "I think the part that get misunderstood about this phrase is the word \"steal\". If someone is a thief and they steal for a living, they are sure to keep it a secret or else everyone knows they are a thief.\n\nSo when it's said that \"great artists steal\", it's referring to the fact that us plebians have no idea that they are thieves because we have no idea what they are stealing from. \n\nThis is what makes Quentin Tarantino a mediocre artist instead of a great one: he wears his obvious stolen inspirations out on his sleeve."
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Chinese Lego looks the same but it hurts your fingers."
},
{
"body": "china steal everything. even roller coaster designs."
},
{
"body": "Nobody cares if it's a knockoff or not, if the game is good people will play it and enjoy it"
},
{
"body": "The optics and ethics of this just reflect badly on China as a whole, as IP theft seems absolutely rampant in their market. \nIt certainly doesn't instill any sense of confidence in their market for the rest of the world."
},
{
"body": "[deleted]",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Is this a paid comment?"
},
{
"body": "This reeks of sponsored posting. You even linked it, ewww 🤢",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Linking it to Steam is crazy work 💀💀"
}
]
},
{
"body": "Everything is basically take a concept and add survival for easy money now."
},
{
"body": "This is why we can’t have nice things."
},
{
"body": "this looks even BETTER than Hzd Holy shit it looks awesome!!",
"replies": [
{
"body": "The melee combat looked interesting at least, wasn't a fan of the spear in HZD or melee in general so I just stuck to ranged weapons."
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "So what?\n\nThe industry does this LITERALLY ALL THE TIME.\n\nStop being a bunch of fucking racists, nobody would give a shit if a western company did this.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "It's not about race. You made it about race. We made t abot lack of originality and possibly ip theft",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Keep telling yourself that. It's obviously about \"CHINA BAD\" because when a western company does this, gamers don't get angry. So yes, that makes it racist.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "China bad or good would also have nothing to do with race. Their authoritarian values just differs to the Democratic free speech style of the West.\n\nYou make it about race again",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Lmao, you literally couldn't make this up.\n\nDo you even realise what you just did? Can you even comprehend what you LITERALLY just wrote?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Yes. That it's possible to separate the race from political or ideological matters.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I can't even begin to unpack this, like... I'm literally just lost for words.\n\nIf you can't even see the irony of what you just wrote, then anything I say will go over your head.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "When you've decided to make this all about race, you won't ever be able to understand logic."
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Unhinged response."
}
]
}
]
}