{
"post": {
"title": "Fed up with crossplay.",
"selftext": "Absolutely fed up with crossplay. There is no logical reason or expectation for anyone on a controller or console to be able to remotely begin to compete with PC. \n\nI'm all but giving up on ranked and not because of the absolute cesspool of throwers and ignorant toxic players, but because I'm fed up with having my butt handed to me by some psychotic flank that appears and has me dead before I can even react. And yes, my situational awareness is fine. We simply cannot and will not ever compete with the PC Eevies and Maeves. Forced crossplay ruined your game. 👍",
"url": "https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/1bfyurd/fed_up_with_crossplay/"
},
"comments": [
{
"body": "sometimes i wanna go crazy when im getting flamed in chat and i cant do anything abt it (no keyboard)",
"replies": [
{
"body": "god i HATE not being able to defend myself"
},
{
"body": "Mute them in the scoreboard menu. That'll kill the chatter. I do this as a rule, tbh, and have in this game for years. There's so little actual value to not muting random team mates that I don't feel bad in the slightest missing that 1/100 times someone had something useful to say."
},
{
"body": "I connected a Bluetooth keyboard to my PS4 and it works great you should try it",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I NEED TO but i just dont have one",
"replies": [
{
"body": "That's even better. I already got 2 bans for flaming noobs and trolls.\n\nI just hate how this game is going so far, but I haven't found a replacement for this yet. OW can suck it.\nRanked is a nightmare here."
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "I play on M&K. Ranked is awful due to the behavior of the players. Crossplay exists because there are so few players as it was when it was divided, and combining allowed not only friends to play with each other when they couldn't but also shorter queue times. Abuse champs that benefit from auto assist and ban hyper mobile champs. Unfortunately it's the only thing you can do. \n\nI'm not sure what the layout looks like on console but on the bottom left after you hit play, there is a switch to turn crossplay off or on!"
},
{
"body": "I turned cross play off. Wait is longer, esp depending on time of day, but worth it.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "this is about ranked",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Wait does ranked \\*force\\* crossplay? lmao if true"
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Yes crossplay is stupid\nEspecially cause they apparently didn’t adjust console ranks\nSo you end up with people in diamond and even master who got the actual level of gold players\nIn plat you see players that are barely better than bots\nAnd I bet it’s mostly because console ranked was less competitive than pc ranked\nThere was easily a division or two in rank discrepancy (I know cause I’ve played both mouse and controller ranked before)\n\nKinda tired seeing stuff like deft hands makoa in a master lobby \nConsole players are basically boosted af, only thing they got is an aimbot called aim assist"
},
{
"body": "Ur situational awareness isn't fine",
"replies": [
{
"body": "but OP said it is",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Very true I forgot to take that crucial fact into account"
}
]
},
{
"body": "Yes, it is. I always know where they're coming *from* where they maintain, who they are targeting, and so on. I generally know *when* to expect them to appear. The problem is that it is literally impossible for a player on a controller, with joystick movement, to compete with the speed and precision of hyper mobile Flanks. Nice try.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Yet it quite literally isn't. Console players are generally at a disadvantage but that's moreso because playing on console implies you'll have shitty hardware (High delay TV, capped fps etc). Playing on a controller absolutely does not stop you from being able to track fast moving targets that just means either your sens sucks or you do. If what ur yappin about were true no roller player would be above gold, and yet the majority of leaderboard players are controller, and I even know some console players on masters/GMs so what's ur excuse for them?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "If only \"fast moving\" were the *only* problem. It is one of *many* issues. Precision. A mouse versus joystick is zero competition. \"Aim assist\" 🙄🙄🙄 no You are simply here to argue for the sake of watching yourself argue. You're one of those weirdos who would disagree that stop signs are red. 😂\n\nAlso, I'm not sure where in my post or any comment I claimed that I was a 100% perfect, grandmaster material player, and crossplay is the SOLE REASON I'm not GM! At *NO* point did I say that. You have no idea what rank I am? \n\nEveryone knows PC outplays console in *every* way and they should *never* have to compete. Period.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "When the other person said that people with controller on pc and even console players are master/gm it doesn't mean you have to be in that rank. But it proves you aren't helpless against pc/keyboard users. If others can do it, you can't make excuses anymore by saying it's impossible or not fair. It's literally just a skill issue.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "This is like saying \"if this guy can win Olympic gold, so can you! It's totes a skill issue!\" \n\nThere will *always* be a miniscule percentage of participants in any activity who achieve beyond the typical person. Always. This is no different. *OF COURSE* there is a small handful of players who defy logic and all odds and never touch grass, have probably never *seen* grass, who achieve GM on console. Nobody is talking about those 10 people. We're talking about the *average* player. The *average* console player versus the *average* PC player.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "No, bad example. Just winning against a pc player is not like getting an olympic medal. What you're saying is that it's impossible to run 100 meters. Of course you can't compete with the olympic runners, but you don't have to compete with them in order to simply run a bit. So back to paladins, you don't have to compete with GM players. You don't need to be as good as them just to beat some random low elo pc player."
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "I never said you were GM or GM level, in fact it's pretty clear you aren't anywhere near that. I just gave an example of controller players being able to easily compete and even outdo KBM players when both groups are in the same rank. You can scale that down to any other rank and it'll remain true, GM roller competes with GM KBM, Masters roller competes with Master KBM, Diamond Roller competes with Diamond KBM etc all the way down to the lower ranks. The problem here is that you personally are not good at this game and ur trying to generalize ur own skill issue as it's one every controller player faces, which just straight up isn't true."
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"body": "Talking about kb&m over controllers? And yet, i hear all the talk about lex, koga or skye on controllers :p.\n\nBasically i feel bad for xbox cause they still dont have gyro ;D but ps? Use the gyro and youre as good as kb&m and uve got aim assist.\n\nPersonally im worse than mud on controller but when i had 5 m8n on my switch with joy cos it was manageable due to gyro controlls"
},
{
"body": "This isn't a kbm vs controller issue.\n\nIt's a few hyper mobile Champs with no cooldowns. Mainly evie that have a huge advantage over controller players, namely because you can't play like that.\n\nBelieve me as a keyboard player fighting a GM evie is just as frustrating.\n\nHonestly I can deal with that, controller AA is far more frustrating.\n\nLike when you flank say a Tyra on Tyra at medium distance and you have good aim and hit most of your shots, but they turn and head shot you so fast with no misses they win the fight, yeh that's not fun. Same is true Tyra to victory or whatever I used Tyra to Tyra as even ground."
},
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"replies": [
{
"body": "you have no idea what you're talking about, have you?"
}
]
},
{
"body": "This is FPS gaming in a nutshell to me these days as a 40yo. There are so many games with a rediculously low TTKs on PC and it was only when I started to give a few of them a try on console that I actually found them to be fun.\n\nM+KB is just so easy to aim in comparison that a lot of the modern competitive FPS game on PC bore me. Most of them (not paladins though) just turn into a who sees who first kind of game, especially with tactical or realism based shooters.\n\nI much preferred Paladins on xbox controller but eventually moved to PC M+K because the player pool in australia was so low for controller only. Often, wait times just for unranked would be 20-30 minutes long some days and then solo queue would put you in a team of players that didn't even know how to move and aim at the same time."
},
{
"body": "And controllers (aim assist) will be nerfed in next update... Deal with it!"
},
{
"body": "Controller is kinda strong idk about not being able to compete when high level teams actively seek out controller players. Console yea your at a disadvantage vs PC KBM but you are also at a disadvantage vs PC controller and ranked was previously input based not platform based."
},
{
"body": "have to adapt bro it’s just how it is.\n\nhyper mobile flanks on a pc player can be nuts, but unfortunately in these situations you can’t do shit😂",
"replies": [
{
"body": "It should simply never happen. They say they had to do it for \"queue times\" but so many people have quit playing ranked for THIS reason. Crossplay is unbalanced and quite literally unfair. Unplayable. Period. No amount of adjusting will change the reality.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Deadass a skill issue im on console MNK i can hold my own"
},
{
"body": "The only people left playing this game are those who mainly enjoy it for reasons outside of gameplay and/or game mechanics. \n\nYou’re screaming into the void on this one. "
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Are you complaining because consoles have less performance? I know players with extremely bad pcs who manage themselves in ranked. Or are you complaining about your controller input not being able to compete with keyboard players, like not turning around fast enough? Controller players can indeed do that, I've seen it ingame and from their pov on livestreams. And you have aim assist to compensate for \"only having a thumb to aim while kbm can use a whole arm\". Controller players are not as disabled as you think they are.\n\nIt's a skill issue. Maybe you're just worse than you thought so now you have to rank down a bit to play against your level again. But it absolutely is possible to win against pc/kbm players.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Why are you downvoted your speaking facts. Ig people downvote whenever they are salty cause their ass. 😭"
}
]
},
{
"body": "But the thing is in my area the last time i saw a console player was a while ago.\nIf u do remove cross play yes we cant compete with those try hards but who will fill our lobbies xD"
},
{
"body": "Interesting to see this problem from the other side. As a PC player I’ve had it with controllers who abuse the aim assist to never miss and only hit headshots. With hitscan champs this is a big problem, as we can’t react in time because we can’t dish out that much dmg as a never missing aimbot under seconds.\nIt really is impossible to play against good controller players. I wish I didn’t have to."
}
]
}