{
"post": {
"title": "PSA: One of the only non-paid methods to acquire Legendary Gems is not mentioned in the Codex",
"selftext": "[deleted]",
"url": ""
},
"comments": [
{
"body": "They should have made the daily crest a legendary crest. Most gacha games give you enough premium currency for a couple of 10 pulls a month if you do all your dailies.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "The amount of caps put on f2p is honestly just ridiculous. They won't even let people grind the game if they want to.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Mobile games aren't meant to played and grinded non-stop. Log-in, do dailies, max caps, log out. Do other stuff.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "[deleted]",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Not just because it's mobile. But because there are daily/weekly login bonuses, daily/weekly caps, time gated content, diminishing returns, etc. that are common in other mobile games, and are designed to make it so that no-lifing the game for multiple hours on end is not rewarding. The game is deliberately designed to be played in short regular bursts. That's why those systems are there.\n\nSo if you no-life the game and are having fun just killing monsters. Then that's fine. You're still enjoying it. But if you're no-lifing the game and not enjoying it anymore because you've hit the cap on rewards and grinding more is yielding lesser or no more rewards. Then yeah, time to stop playing and log out. Then come back again the next day.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Correct. I guess I took your statement the wrong way. I agree. And that fact bothers me too. I'm para3 now and actually dropped a legendary. But the fact that I'll never have \"good\" gear (in the for of gems) is the biggest show stopper for me. Where even is the purpose of a Diablo when I can't grind it out without the need of spending money? I'll stop playing D:I soon anyways. Trying to find some other legendaries and stuff, then I'll lose motivation because of all those predatory systems."
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "yes that is unacceptable is the point they made. correct yet missing the point, you are.\n\nThis is not a mobile game. this is Diablo. be better and expect better. You're worth it",
"replies": [
{
"body": ">This is not a mobile game. this is Diablo.\n\nAh there's your problem. You have wrong expectations for this game. This is not a Diablo game that you can play on mobile. This is a mobile game that happens to be Diablo. This is a spin-off.\n\nDiablo 4 is the sequel. That's what you want. That's what you're waiting for. Not this game.\n\nEDIT: I saw someone comment that this is like being mad about there being a Diablo board game. Which I think is accurate. Lol.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Not like it could be both but we are talking about greedy Blizzard ofc"
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "yep"
}
]
},
{
"body": "The pity system is absolutely awful too.\n\nObviously this game is \"Legendary Gem Gacha\" and the 4.5% 5*/SSR rate isn't THAT bad compared to other games, but the pity is 50 crests in and theres no way to target gems. And it takes wayyyyy more copies of gems to fully max them then most Gacha games.\n\nAlso it feels like they had no idea what people would pay for so they just threw in everything to see what sticks.\n\nThe game lets you feel powerful until about the 30s. Then you feel like you can keep playing without spending until about challenge rift 20-25. Then you hit a ROCK WALL if you don't spend $$$ or wait on the timegated drip feed.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Yup. I'm at that point. All my main items are legendary with 6 upgrades, with most of the extra attributes being garbage (obviously expecting me to pay for a reroll).\n\nAll I can do is endlessly farm for a pittance of a normal gem, or 1 legendary every 6 hours or so. Which barely changes the overall score value, while someone can just spend enough and have 1 gem that has more resonance than my entire set of equipped legendary gems.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I mean... I’d just look at it like a free trial. If you didn’t pay anything.. u didn’t lose anything. \n\nIf the game means enough to continue playing - the answer might to buy some platinum and buy a gem outright. Obviously that’s like 50-70 which is personally more than I think the games worth... but it’s like what day 5? Maybe sit back... give it a few months for the skill ceiling to shoot way the fuck up with the inevitable addition of better gear, gems, and dungeons, and all the whales to dump their current “top tier gems” for cheap which should allow you to play content your currently struggling with. That’s really the only 2 course of action. Personally I’m gonna play free and wait which I think is fair",
"replies": [
{
"body": "You can't dump your top tier gems. Unless they change how the market works, you can only sell non-bound(used) gems."
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "0.05% not 4.5%",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Its something like 4.5% for x/5, its 0.05% for 5/5\n\nPity is also x/5"
}
]
},
{
"body": "You can buy gems directly on the market. This is a different way of direct targeting than other gacha games, but it also gives you even more control of what you are targeting."
}
]
},
{
"body": "I think you guys are all just babies… I’ve spent nothing am on top of the barb challenge rift leaderboards and having a great time… calm down and kill demons and stop complaining",
"replies": [
{
"body": "First you need to make sure that the server you are on has other players on it. If it does come back in a week or two and show us that you are rank 1 again as a f2p and then i will acknowledge your hacking skills",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Well I purposely started in low pop server, in a fresh new one also, 1 day after launch, to stay out of those with crazy whales guilds"
},
{
"body": "He’s just on a no pop. Num1 barb on doom ringer just did a rank 50. He’s an awesome dude and most definitely a whale"
}
]
},
{
"body": "We are currently on top of the warband helliquary kill for our server.\n\nBut you and I both will be quickly overcome by players spending a ton of real money.\n\nA level 10 gem and awakening armor is $15 plus the level 10 gem bought or grinded.\n\nIt's taking some fun out of the game seeing a system that is impossible or costs far too much for what it gives.\n\n1000 orbs for a single ingredient is insane when you could do this multiple times for all your armor.\n\nJust is a bad mobile game monetization",
"replies": [
{
"body": "[deleted]",
"replies": [
{
"body": "$100k to get max resonance on top of all that."
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Hell, I would have accepted a compromise where the Hilt dealer sold them on a weekly basis instead of a whole ass month. Play the game for a year and you end with a whopping 12! WOW",
"replies": [
{
"body": "If...IF your clan someone makes it to be an Immortal (bypassing the whale clans) then you can buy an extra one, it looks like, every month....So 24!!!"
}
]
},
{
"body": "Even when I do get the odd legendary crest from the $5 battle pass, I almost always only get yellows.\n\nIt's like they've never heard of bad luck protection. A legendary crest should drop at least one legendary piece of gear or gem PERIOD, Even if it's trash 1-star.\n\nThis game is all stick and no carrot",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Name checks out."
}
]
},
{
"body": "But who's gonna buy them then? They'll give you just enough that you can smell or see the victory. But you have to empty your wallet if you really want to dive into it. F2P is a torture in this game once you hit 60 and want to farm a decent build. Not even including high rank gems."
}
]
},
{
"body": "In the interest of transparency and being honest about the system you get enough embers for about 17 Fa runes per week. Each random legendary chance costs 22 Fa runes. This means every 4 weeks you'd have about enough for 3 legendary gems with this system.\n\nCombine this with the 2 legendary crests you can earn a month (1 free battle pass and 1 from hilts) you get about 5 guaranteed legendary gems a month as F2P.\n\nBut even if you get a 5* legendary gem and get lucky you still need 4450 gem power to get it to max rank. 1* gems give you 1 gem power and 2* give you 4. So even if a F2P gets a 5* the legendary gem income for them is unreasonable to even be able to upgrade that gem.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "> But even if you get a 5* legendary gem and get lucky you still need 4450 gem power to get it to max rank.\n\nDon't forget you also need 73 duplicates of that 5* legendary gem for rank ups."
},
{
"body": "This didn't even touch on gem radiance. You can put 8 other gems into a 5star. A rank 10 1star can hold 2 extra gems that add additional radience to the original gem.\n\nhttps://clips.twitch.tv/DeafPiliablePangolinJKanStyle-y_tyMVc9vi8GL1js"
},
{
"body": "That's some useful math. Do you happen to know what's the difference if compared to a 4stars gem? I'm trying to find out what's the highest gem stars build you can aim for as a f2p.\nOr maybe if a low rank 5 stars is better than a high rank 4 stars. It a little early, but this kind of informations can really be helpful when trying to invest resources in the best way possible",
"replies": [
{
"body": "It's likely better to upgrade 1\\* or 2\\* gems as a f2p and max them. If you happen to get lucky then, you can always switch over, you never lose gem essence.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Can you expand on never lose gem essence?\n\nSo let's say I've leveled a 1* to rank whatever. How do I get the essence back?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "You just use that gem to upgrade another gem. If you have put 30 gem essence and two copies of itself into leveling it up, it’ll be worth 33 gem essence (1 for the gem itself, 2 for the copies used in leveling, and 30 from the essence)"
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "There are no 3* or 4* gems. F2P players and even dolphin level spenders are limited to maxing 1* or 2* gems with the legendary gem income they have access to. \n\nIf you do get a 5* gem it might be useful to you still but you would never be able to max it out as a F2P player. Rank 10 5* gems are intentionally out of reach for F2P.",
"replies": [
{
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"replies": [
{
"body": "The system is intentionally confusing, but you could refer to them like that sure. I believe the common notation is 5* gems can drop as 2/5-5/5 5* and that's what I'm referring to.\n\nAlso the 2/5 5* cost as much to upgrade rank as 5/5 5* as far as I know. If a 2/5 5* was actually a 2* gem it should cost less to upgrade but doesn't."
},
{
"body": "I'm pretty sure that he's saying, if you are F2P 3 or 4\\* gems are not worth it and you'll never get the full benefit of them. Using them to upgrade a 1 or 2\\* would probably be more beneficial if you did get one. The stats of a 5\\* may be inherently so good that it'll be useful, but as F2P it's still pretty much a mantle trophy."
}
]
},
{
"body": "$5 spent and I landed a 3 out of 4 star leggo gem."
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Just a correction: you have 2 guaranteed legendary gem box + 3 tries. Not 5 guaranteed. Correct ?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Those three are guaranteed if you cap embers every week I've updated my post to remove the ambiguity on that fact"
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Unfortunately you can only roll for the 5 star legendary gem once per month.\n\nAlso, if you consider trading runes for ati rune, the most needed one, you need to convert 15 runes for 1 ATI. You are going to need 7 ATI runes for one 1 star legendary gem",
"replies": [
{
"body": ">5 star legendary gem once per month\n\nWhat?????? This game it's a joke. As far as I know, the more powerful gems comes from the 5 star gems gambling with the fading embers right? Because you can't craft all the gems, only a few",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Basically you can get 200 embers a week, and it takes 396 to gamble for a 1-5 star gem (which I assume has the same 4.5% chance to be a 2/5-5/5 star). So 2 a month.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "You can get 320 embers a week, so almost once a week",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Can you cap the extra 120 with just the free rare crests?"
}
]
},
{
"body": "ok, i thought it was about caping the ability to buy it, not the currency per se. Thecnically, you can get 320 embers with the extra ones."
},
{
"body": "I thought the 4.5% was for 3/5 to 5/5",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I don't remember the exact numbers, but when a legendary gem drops (and I'm assuming the 22 FA rune craft has same odds) it's like 70.5% 1star, 25% 2star, and 4.5% X/5star. Then there's a separate roll for what X is when you hit the 4.5% chance, with 5 being a 1% chance. So it's more like a 1/2222 to get a 5/5 star gem.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Bro, f2p can catch up, on average every 55 years of maximized efficency farming results in 1 5/5 star gem. \n\n\nNot p2w at all.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "> on average every 55 years of maximized efficency farming\n\nNo that's the issue.\n\nThere's no \"maximized efficiency farming\".\n\nEverything is timegated, so a f2p playing 20 minutes per day will basically be the same as an f2p playing 8 hours a day.\n\nIt's just 55 years of waiting for weekly/monthly limits on legendary gems.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "thats still maximized efficiency farming, there is just a limit on the maximum efficiency that u can do :)",
"replies": [
{
"body": "It's not maximized efficiency farming because it's not farming.\n\nJust logging on for dailies isn't farming.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Ofc its farming, even 1 minute of gameplay is \"farming\".\n\nLogging in everyday is farming. Its a grind that u do daily. Its arguably even more farming and grinding because if u miss a day u can never get it back. U took a day off? Too bad, u can never catch up."
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Sounds optimized by a capitalist wraith"
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "You can also buy a legendary crest once per month with the hilt trader",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Rifts are like 8 minutes. 1 month for 8 minutes of chance"
},
{
"body": "Even if it were 10 LC for the same price, it's pathetic."
}
]
},
{
"body": "Money grubbing Blizzard bastards not only monetize growth, but also gatekeep materials you can earn for even a chance at gems. Soooo greedy. It drains the game of joy when you cant even grind to further yourself. Whale or quit."
},
{
"body": "Because it's essentially grind for few weeks just to try and roll once.\n\nAtleqst the result is unbound so you can sell it on the market."
},
{
"body": "Play free until you get bored or annoyed, then move on. This game deserve zero money not cause it's shit or anything but because they tried waaaaaay to hard with all the bullshit shop techniques"
},
{
"body": "Another example of how insanely obscene the monetization is can be found in the Market, were a 2 out five star gem is selling for 32K plat and other are going for even more, for perspective 30K Plat is around ~~$500 $80~~ TY for the correction u/budekj . I'm playing because it has more things to do than D3 and less one shot mechanics than Last Epoch. That along with the cross progression makes it somewhat palatable. However I would not shed a tear and would love for more of the courts around the world to nuke gacha and lootbox games to dust",
"replies": [
{
"body": "50k plats is 5000 orbs or about 80 usd."
}
]
},
{
"body": "Pretty sure we are getting events etc soon that should help f2p players hopefully? They stated that they have events ready but holded back on those cause players are busy leveling up and learning the base game.\n\n I know it sounds copium but i really hope that the game isnt that pay to win. The game is alot of fun, i really hope we dont need to constantly pay to actually do content.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "The main hope is that they knew a lot of this is a bit too much but like a good negotiator is just starting off high. If you're trying to barter with someone sell something for $300 you don't start at $300 of course, you start at $500 so that $300 seems like the person buying has a deal.\n\nI have to imagine they will soften a lot of these systems. At least I hope so."
},
{
"body": "We hoped they changed the p2w system to be more affordable after the closed beta experience. \n\nAnd we get an even more greedy system with then straight up nerf-ing quest rewards, making it harder for f2p to progress. \n\nBe hopeful and positive is good but don't be naive."
},
{
"body": "55 years of grind for 1 5/5 gem on average. dont worry, not p2w. just spent few lifetimes so u can have few gems.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Ur missing my point and you do not know what they will do later on. The game is barely out. As i said. Its probably a longshot but if they want to keep playerbase healthy they need to throw a few bones to the normal playerbase aswell."
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "How do you get Ati runes off of Embers? Is it only by trading in other runes + embers? That seems like a really bad deal",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Basically."
}
]
},
{
"body": "I’m skipping this one and will just wait for D4."
},
{
"body": "Wow, so f2p grinders can't even outgrind a small amount of p2w. This is so fucking stupid.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "What are you so worried about? Even if you could grind this out, you’re still never going to compete with the whales. Quit fooling yourself and quit acting like you don’t know how these F2P mobile games operate."
},
{
"body": "Think twice dude you sound cheap with that statement."
}
]
},
{
"body": "What day of the week is the cap reset?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "[deleted]",
"replies": [
{
"body": "In that case, I better spam rifts today. Thanks!"
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "FYI it will take you over 9 years, assuming you don't miss a single week.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Technically you can never do it. They’ll keep adding new content for the whales to splurge on. There’s no end, you’ll never be the 1% so just enjoy the game at your own pace for what it is or delete it.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Hey it's just like real life."
}
]
},
{
"body": "9 years to do what? I lost a exponent somewhere",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I would assume 9 years to drop 1 5/5 star 5* gem.\n\nActually getting a full set of max rank gems, and not even 5/5 stars more like 2/5 stars, takes several hundred years f2p.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Well I admittedly don’t have a ton of time to farm. But I have played Diablo 2 since it’s original release. I have never found a stone of Jordan. I enjoy the grind and set personal goals. So I’ll come back in 9 years let you know if I got one maxed. Beyond that I believe you can also put gems in gems",
"replies": [
{
"body": "> I enjoy the grind and set personal goals.\n\nYeah except in DI you can't grind.\n\nYou are capped at an amount of resources a paying players gets for $12-15 every month, and cannot grind more beyond that. It takes like 90 minutes a week to max your resource gains.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Good thing I’m still playing D2R. I’ll find me a stone of Jordan some day!",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Check loot tables."
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Thats why the game is called immortal."
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "I spent $300+ and can’t even get blood jade or sleeping bile....",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Same I spent about $150 trying to get a decent gem… didn’t get any, that’s all I needed to see. I don’t mind spending money on a game I enjoy and I have the income to support it. What I’m not gonna do is throw money in the trash for nothing in return. This game is a slot machine masked as rift from Diablo 3.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "It was insane watching Quin spend thousands and get almost nothing in return. Even if he had acquired a 5* gem, the likelihood of it being one that he actually wanted was extremely low. Literally throwing money into a fire would be a better use of it. Instead, Bobby Kotick will just buy another Yacht."
}
]
},
{
"body": "Stop spending money. Wtf !"
},
{
"body": "u deserve that"
},
{
"body": "Lol"
}
]
},
{
"body": "What can’t you do without max level gear? D3 never had an end, just infinite paragon level grinding which you didn’t need to do unless you wanted",
"replies": [
{
"body": "you can do everything but youll get rekt in pvp. and just going up in rift levels take longer.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Okay. I don’t play diablo for pvp or leaderboards so that’s fine w me"
},
{
"body": "Let's be honest. The pvp is shit in this game in my opinion"
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Game out 3 days: WHY CAN'T WE MAX EVERYTHING FOR FREE ALREADY \n \nJesus christ just wait for events impatient gamers.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Except you can't grind this stuff. It is (real) time or credit card locked, not something you can grind.\n\nYour F2p option to get 5 star gems is to log in to the game once a day, 10 minutes a day for the next decade. Not to play for 500 hours straight.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "500 hours straight doesn’t sound very healthy…"
},
{
"body": "[deleted]",
"replies": [
{
"body": "They give u better time grinding as the state boosts are Amazing. So 5 star gems are on the need list"
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "We're not talking about maxing anything, just having a slim chance at acquiring."
}
]
},
{
"body": "Hey can anyone tell me what the deal is with 5 star gems explained in the elder rift droprate screen? It seems to insinuate 5 star gems also have their own additional star rating. I'm guessing similar to nano infusing gear in Marvel Future Revolution?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "[deleted]",
"replies": [
{
"body": "You can upgrade those to actual 5 star though right? I've only ever been able rank up gems not star up.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "No. Whatever star the gem drops at is what it's always stuck with."
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "I found that randomly earlier and was annoyed it wasn't shown at any point on the guide."
},
{
"body": "[deleted]",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Tap your finger on the ember current when in the rune shop."
}
]
},
{
"body": "thanks for this, never would have known"
},
{
"body": "Could just not be cheap"
},
{
"body": "I'm trying to craft a specific gem but I don't have enough rift keys to get drops and I used up my ember cap."
},
{
"body": "\"with or without a crest\" why was that necessary ?"
},
{
"body": "I also noticed they didn’t really go over the hilt currency. You can buy legendaries gems and items with hilt currency.\n\nMaybe they did go over it and I missed it … but somehow I can across it and was surprised I could buy some upgrades. Apparently they are daily/weekly/monthly items in the hilt shop",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Well they did say about hilts vendor during your start in Westmarch, but didn't actually show where he stands"
}
]
},
{
"body": "Ty! Missed this!"
},
{
"body": "You need to do 3.5 daily runs to reach the weekly cap (not counting bonus limit).\n\nNot bad considering this is a mobile game.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "[deleted]",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Ok this is really good info to have, I appreciate it.\n\nBut damn, and people complain about having caps? There's a lot of things to do daily. And that's for a single character."
},
{
"body": "Only real thing that bothers me is the daily caps. Just let us fucking grind. Hidden lairs are already stupid to get. Let me run them as much as I can if I find them. First day I read you get gems there and ran around...it wasn't until my 4th or 5th one that I noticed I wasn't getting gems anymore."
}
]
}
]
}
]
}