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"title": "Need help with gem farming",
"selftext": "I'm not sure which adventure I should be doing it on or which area I should try to aim for with it.I was planning to just use the modron automation for it instead of actively doing it or having a script for it so I'm not sure if that's worse or if it even matters.Not entirely sure which champions I should use for it either, right now I have Hew Maan, Briv, Shandie, should I use any others too?and rn I have about 100k gems to work with encase I need any feats.\n\nedit:\n\nI should probably put this here to avoid any confusion. I've been playing very passively for a few years, picking it up for a week or two then dropping it again for months, but decided I wanted to get into it more and wanted to start with a gem farm.\n\nBecause of this I actually have a decent bit of favour, champs, and familiars alrdy (Ilvls aren't that good though) \n\nAny champs I don't have I can get with time gate pieces probably (not sure if there's another use for them but I was hoarding them so I have just under 200)\n\nI have at least e28 favour with all but 2 (helm/e24, and celestian/e21) sorry for any confusion :s",
"url": "https://www.reddit.com/r/idlechampions/comments/168tfot/need_help_with_gem_farming/"
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"body": "Active or background?\n\nIf background, pick a patron, use a seat 1 champion you don't commonly use in formations, pop a couple of familiars down to level up the champ, do click damage and level up the click. Then set to level 15/20 reset and that's it.",
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"body": "Was planning on doing background yeah. \nIf active is more efficient or smth though then I could try doing that instead. \nEither way ty \\^\\^",
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"body": "Active you put your speed champs in and run it, speed effects don't make a difference in background parties.",
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"body": "I see, ty. \nShould I set it to auto reset at a certain area or just leave it to go until they get stuck?",
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"body": "Nah you want to find a good sweet spot if active farming where your heroes are levelled up enough to take advantage of the speed boosts but not so much that they get slowed down. Pretty hard to tell without knowing where you are in the game power wise but it's a bit of trial and error.",
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"body": "I heard somewhere that shandie has an effect on background parties, is that not correct?",
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"body": "Sorta. Her ability can be used but as a background party is always considered to be under attack then it's never active.",
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"body": "Interesting, I tried to test it but the damn thing is so buggy I never got any conclusive results"
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"body": "A good rule of thumb is to reset at your \"click wall\", that is where click damage stops being able to one-shot enemies. I believe the rule of thumb there is to take your favor in that campaign and multiply by 7.6, and that area is your click wall. So if your Torm favor was at e80, you'd want to reset at 80\\*7.6 = 608 in Sword Coast adventures."
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"body": "All depends how many familiars You have.\n\nfor foreground party go to mad wizard adventure and use with modron automation:\n\ndeekin or widdle for spawn speed - first dont need any ilvl investment but is worse - second need some ilvls to buff speed skill and is same slot laezel but is better speedster and have another spot in many tactics that needs high attack speed.\n\nif not using widdle laezel is good speed hero in begining - helps with time consuming bariers, and zones with one quest item. Can help partialy with lack of familiars and with weak hew laezel will proc speed skill often - no need for buying feats - if You relly like her then mabe this 12,5k cost +40% to speed skill\n\n3rd slot nahara and bbeg - both gives quest requirement reduction - for begining nahara since she dont need any ilvls or feats - one problem that she need some time (attacking) to unlock full speed skill potential\n\n4th sentry another reductor useful - for now dont invets - hew will be priority\n\n5th briv - dont use Him for now (also xander but You will probabl never use Him :) )\n\n6th shandie - dash 10 sec proc speed feat is nice but its really usefull when party is completing zones with one kill\n\n7. Minsc in theor but dont bother with His \"speed skill\" for now\n\n8. Hew - buy both speed skill feats 40&80% =62500 gems and feed them with ilvls until caping speed skill item (4th slot) - \n\n10. Virgil another multiplying quest item drops like hew but at this point dont invest high cost/speed increase not usefull at this pint of game. Havilar - with first fiend from her ulti cycle (appears with hero leveling - dont use ulti) all fiend kills/drops count x2 for zone quest and mad wizard have i think 16-18 zones where it will be usefull\n\n12 Vi is season champion - try her since - i like her speed skill for great reduction time loss in boss zones - but she wasnt even consider speed champ by most players.\n\nWith familiar number it will be easier to advice something less obvious",
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"body": "I have 39 familiars split between 2 parties rn, hope it helps with more specific advice. \nty for all of what you've already said \\^\\^",
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"body": "Lol thats a lot more then You need for two party.\n\nI will split answear\n\nIm have 33 working on 4 party automation and 10 of them is in reserve (for doing in BG some harder runs)\n\nNow im confused since i was thinking You dont have most champs and ilvls /favors are low \n\n1. General things related to speed \n\n\\- if You can complete 2nd an 3rd split the party\n\n\\- if You have champion named Nordom and Fast Core isnt max level - Nordom should travel in fast core part until it will be max level (but most important is lvl 10 with node making game speed increase up to +50%\n\nif You dont have geared/leveled hew,sentry, virgil with addition of nahara/bbge then farm on mad Wizard - many spawners helps with faster kiling more then 1-2 mobs + fiends for havilar and its in first campaign so probably higher then average favor. If Party can reliably finish zones with 1-2 kills then change for Cursed Farm. For Briv farming there are other options but it depends on jump chance.\n\nFor farming BG party (not active) You can use Cursed Farm with patron active (will help with patron weekly)- one familiar on field, one on click dmg and one on champion leveling - priority, if You have them: Torogar, Zorbu, Dhani or not used in speed team NAhara - all of them have skills that gather stacks during runs but dont ever lose them. \n\nFor seson milestone and weekl quests You can often use bg party with formation constructed for that purpouse (but some quests in BG will progress slow or not at all)",
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"body": "ah sorry, I probably should've explained more in the original post but I've been playing super passively for a few years, only playing for like a week or 2 before dropping it for months, but I've been wanting to get into it more starting with an actual gem farm. \nI'm still missing 5 pages or so (in the store) of champs but I have quite a few, and my Ilvls are pretty low on everything other than the aerois champs (only around 100-150 on a few and mostly less than 100) \nI have at least e28 favour on all except 2 (helm's e24, and celestian e21)",
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"body": "Work a little on Aurils favor - tier 3 global costs 5e29 and gives 1 additional gem from each boss.",
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"body": "aurils is one of the ones I have a bit more on actually (e31) so I'll grab that quickly rn ty \\^\\^"
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"body": "2nd part speed team for gem farm\n\nUse mad wizard adventure. 5 familiars on field (3 can gather quest items but 5 can open boss chest without delay), one on click dmg leveling, one on each champion one on hew ulti. fast core - if not lvl 10 yet use nordom in party and speed pots to reach it faster\n\n1 slot deekin no investing with 3rd spec and feat from gold chest will give 280% spawn speed + fast core can be another 50%\n\n2. laezel middle spec and for now with no feats.\n\n3 nahara- 3rd spec no investments - for bbeg ou could be yet to slow for His 5 sec timer\n\n4 sentry with sprinf feat (its free i think) no investing for now.\n\n6 shandie no ilvls - from feats 100% dash is free i think and second feat lowering dash cooldawn from 30 to 10 but i dont know price if 12,5k gems then buy it if 50 wait till you will be completing zones in 1-2 kilss.\n\n8 hew - our main goal for now - buy both speed skill feats, if 4th item isnt epic use tg till it will be purple - use cycle starting with hew and every 3rd hew with 2 new/other champs between untill 4th item is epic. If You have potion of polish use it on that item, if not You will recive one for jim dismantle since we recive code for his shiny on @ target is to cap 4th item - You need 2501 for epic or 1615 for epic with shiny= he also have 10% game speed feat but i dont know cos if 50k buy shandie first\n\n10 virgil no ilvls feat is from gold chest 1st spec\n\n12 vi - he has season so will have some levels - she is in partr fastboss zone waves but i cant test how this skill works on lower item levels after change - simply make few times boss zone testing with and without vi - waves in boss zone are larger then normal and You have do observe if her skill speeds up 2nd mob in wave or maybe 2nd 3rd, 4th and 5th one - \n\nthat leaves 1 free slot - nordom or with fast core lvl 15 gazrick for virgil speed skill and gold to make run longer\n\nmad wizard gem farm runs should reset in highest zone click dmg will be enough and her number is right with equation =x\\*50 +30 for example 180 is 3\\*50+30so if with click dmg You reach max zone 207 then reset in zone 180 - reason zone 20-30 are like sprinting couse of spawners and fast transitions",
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"body": "sorry I think I'm misreading a little but I'm not sure what you mean with the hew cycling. \nDo you mean cycling the tg? \nso I start with a hew tg and then 2 different champs after and then back to hew?",
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"body": "thats right/ each champion tg rise its difficulty after opening and that difficulty will drop to starting level after 2 another champions tg are opened.\n\n​\n\nIf during those years of passive play somehow You saved huge stack of tg pieces then You can always try:\n\nhew TG > opening season champion tg for 3 pieces and closing it for return of 2 pieces > if hew td difficulty from 125/100 to 100/75 then repeat proces with another season champ and open next hew TG - will cost 8 for each hew tg but You will not be so tired with constant tg runs before hew 4th item epic is found",
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"body": "ah alright, didn't know about the difficulty increase with it. \nI'll probably do the slower way at first since I have a bunch of champs to unlock still anyways but will try doing that if I still don't have it after. \nthank you for all of the advice \\^\\^"
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"body": ">8. Hew - buy both speed skill feats 40&80% =62500 gems and feed them with ilvls until caping speed skill item (4th slot) -\n\nCan you expound on this part? \"Feed them ilvls\", is that just blacksmithing contracts and time gates, or is there another mechanic I'm missing\"? And how do you know when something is \"capped\"?",
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"body": "I know item is max level for this rarity with eventual silver/gold added when game show info that i caped an item and recived contracts for ilvls it was over max.\n\nThere isnt many items with max levels other then ulti coodowns (only spurt ulti cooldown item isnt capped couse it rise cooldown time instead of reducing - and that lack of max ilvl makes spurt potentialy strongest endgame support ) and those are mostly speed skills where You are paying attention to effect value and can predict/calculate max ilvl with some +/- or asked,searched check on sites that cap to make decision if its worth maxing \n\nAnd there is one easy trick - look at any ulti cooldown reducing item picture - in top right corner there should be info with two numbers **XXX / YYY** xxx is actual ilvl and yyy is item max level for this rarity and glide -(epic ulti cooldown item max level is 501 but for epic shiny its 251 so if we have caped epic and find shiny for it game will change mentioned numbers on picture from 501/501 to 251/251 and on next adventure reset , login or party change we will receive 250 contracts. core and evergreen champions receiving shiny for cooldowns items were huge help and hope refreshers for me when i was grinding briv ilvls.\n\nBy feeding ilvls i was thinking about using all blacksmith contracts we can find from any source, time gates should be used for gaining new champions only if we have huge pile of bounty contracts and that wanted speed champion is retired from actual running event then we can open its TG and thx to that trick buy this champion gold chest for 10k tokens each. We can always save some bounty contracts for few events if we know 2 months from now there will be for example briv event- those epic we will earn with high level patron variants since we have now many heroes always available for specific campaigns/patrons."
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"body": "I don’t remember the math and I don’t have it saved, but there is a conversion post for what level to reset on gem parties when active. \nWhen I running Mad wizard, run the champs that you have familiars for to where they can’t go any further.\nThen take off levels back to the 30/80 and set it there.\nFor example, when I did this I was able to get to 643.\nSo my reset level was 630. \nThis applies only to mad wizard because of the way the enemy spawn\n\nA secondary way is to run deep and see where your champion damage overtakes the click damage.\nAnd then set your reset level to your max click damage. Click damage is much faster for runs.",
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"body": "will pay attention to where my champs/click damage gets to then ty \\^\\^",
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"body": "If you’ve been playing for a few weeks, at least, hopefully you have laezel….. use her with the other three!",
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"body": "alrighty, will do ty"
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"body": "The short of it is, you want to run your party in the foreground and prioritizing contracts for getting the eggs on hewmaan maxed (slot 4). Using shandie, BEGG, sentry and widdle are secondary characters that you want in your party as well due to reducing zone costs and increasing completion rate. I would spend your gems on getting familiars, since they're pretty essential in speeding up everything. From there, maxing out shandie's red-shift, and then working on briv is what I ended up doing.\n\nWorking on setting up for using briv is something I'll leave for someone else to explain better, but it's a pain in the ass to run scriptless compared to running a script and much much slower. \n\nIf you're not going to be utilizing briv (due to not having perfect jumps or whatever) go to varja varient and work on farming up on The Mad wizard.\n\nI haven't used laezel in my speed formations, but she might be a better option instead of widdle for mad wizard, so I think that might be worth investigating.\n\nHonorable mention goes to deekin and the rivals waterdeep crew.",
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"body": "I'll prob try doing the vajra mad wizard stuff then, wasn't entirely sure how briv worked I've just heard people mention him a lot in making speed formations so if it's a pain and slow without a script I'll pass on it. \nI've already got a decent amount of familiars, since I've just been playing passively on and off for a few years but have started wanting to get into it a bit more. \nanyway ty for the detailed reply \\^\\^",
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"body": "briv is basically a speed multiplier. Other characters are linear increases. He skips literal stages, others only skip parts of a stage. To get briv going, you need to heavily invest contracts as well as devote time to setting up a team that can make briv's steelstacks build up before doing a run reset. There's also the issue of having imperfect jumps on him, it's why you'll see people refer to 1j 2j 3j 4j etc, the amount of zones jumped. 1j and 4j are the biggest breakpoints on him. 1j lets you skip shitty bosses in freeplays and 4j lets you skip entire brackets. It's a pain to get him moving, but the amount of gems you get when you get it going is substantial. Like literally hundreds of thousands of gems per day with a 4j."
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"body": "In a time you will need to use scripts, get Briv and [use Tyredack's guide](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ4ojGh1JZM)"
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"body": "Others have said most of this: \n-If you can leave it up & running in the foreground (not likely if you just check in every week or two) try to run a Script Farm. The amount of gems is staggering! Scripting really needs to be in an open game in the foreground though. \n-200 TG pieces gets you a lot of Champs! If you're on Steam there's free Season Champs on Monday. \n-Split the Party again so you have 3 or even 4 parties going, if there's Cores for them. Put each of the Patrons on 1 party and that gets you a fair bit of Patron points too, without needing to check in much. \n-I like Melf for speed, Sentry's good and Nahara does well in either type of gem farm. Briv won't work well in non-scripted farming unless you're willing to put the effort into setting that up :/ And adjust it whenever changes are made.\n\nThe #1 Rule is: have fun! 😃"
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"body": "https://ic.byteglow.com/speed for ilevel breakpoints."
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"body": "I managed to get all the familiars up to 150k gems just playing about half an hour a day. Been playing since March, basically I just build a party of the season champs and pretty passively can push area 900 now just using the season buffs you get. I’m finally starting Briv farming for more gems.",
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"body": "I’ll never understand how people get up to or past levels like 900 when I can barely crack 200 since I started playing when the game debuted",
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"body": "Well, the easiest was probably last season. Just by grinding the season rewards and getting to 60, with all the season buffs, it’s pretty easy. Running all those season champs + the other companions of the hall (Bruenor, Drizzt, etc) it was easy to hit 900 or so just with familiars leveling everyone. It was just a really high synergy team. So now I’ve got around e42 favor for most campaign’s.\n\nIn your case, you’re definitely doing something incorrect. With even 10 random champs on the field and some click familiars, hitting 100-150 should be easy. Hopefully you’ve spent your first gems on familiars."
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