{
"post": {
"title": "After Russia banned Discord yesterday, Steam might allegedly be next with it being added to the list of prohibited sites. Do you think Foxhole will see a drop of players, or will they just use VPN?",
"selftext": "",
"url": "https://i.redd.it/b0hxqxreiqtd1.png"
},
"comments": [
{
"body": "VPN for most \nBans for others\n\nOr Russia may go full out and just hit the 'no internet for you no more' button or something. \nSad times :(",
"replies": [
{
"body": "As a turk and restricted to discord yesterday like russians, vpn is slow and frustrating to connect, I quited instagram thanks to restriction, I am sure that there will be significant drop of russian customers",
"replies": [
{
"body": "i dont understand the turkish ban. ill have to look into it.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I think theres some killing of girls due to sexism but they bans discord cause the killers used it lmao.\n\nIts like govt banning phones when killers discuss their plots over the phone, when they should fix the underlying problem of gender discrimination and inequality, or just improving general security",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Yeah like the killers definitely won't be able to use just another texting app after getting discord banned...\nI'm just amazed by those guys that thought that they solved something 🤦♂️",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Its not. Its definitely pandering and blaming tech instead of a systematic issue",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Welcome to Turkey politics"
}
]
},
{
"body": "Erdo and Putin pretty much has same iq, which is low than 80 for sure... They're made for each other."
},
{
"body": "It’s absolutely just an issue of control. I assume Discord wouldn’t hand over some info on people that the government wanted. "
}
]
},
{
"body": "| Its like govt banning phones\n\nThat's practically what Russiaistarted with 14 years ago, they limited use of phones and access to internet (no free accss allowed, only by id, can be suspended by any time, individualsmaybe banned to use phones or internet)"
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "by nature anything based on RTP and UDP performs extremely badly over vpn"
}
]
},
{
"body": "Do you know any Russians? \n\n I'd like to hear what they have to say about it. Do they feel like the system is flawed? \n\nI know Canadians weren't happy with the airsoft restrictions. \n\nIt makes me feel fortunate to live where I live."
},
{
"body": "Best time to be alive if that happens. They have made their own reputation, now its time to suffer the consequences."
},
{
"body": "[removed]",
"replies": [
{
"body": "_training_ "
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "I doubt that Russian veterans don't have a VPN already, but new players may get lost along the way",
"replies": [
{
"body": "wwell, prolem paying for vpn or hosting, also access tvp can be blocked to and they use DPI to detect and corrupt vpn traffic (which by accident constantly breaks everything else)"
}
]
},
{
"body": "I've been fortuante enough to never have to use a VPN for gaming, to those who do, out of curiosity, how much does it effect your actual connection? Is it playable or is it lag central?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I've read that there are vpn services in Russia who even offer better ping in their package. No idea if that's true though ",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Certainly a bonus if it is"
},
{
"body": "Not really, depends very much on server physical location"
},
{
"body": "No longer, there is law banning these services now and a warnign was sent to all providers with threats",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Interesting, do you have a source please? I'd like to read more about it",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Ugh, you have to read in Russian on federal sources. It was all in media fortnight ago, after scandals about YT \"unofficial\" blockade reached its peak. Some of that hardware I saw myself. Software-wise it's still quite primitive, interferes with some protocols. And definitely NOT made from local components, which they actively dusguise.\n\n\nMy personal expirience us that currently VPN doesn't work for YT and Discord apparently partially blocks access via same vpn."
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "This is inherently VERY unlikely.\n\nA VPN is a server that is simply relaying communication.. \nA (ugly) visual of a VPN working here: [https://i.imgur.com/zp4n9YF.png](https://i.imgur.com/zp4n9YF.png)\n\nThe only way using a VPN reduces latency is if the DNS used by the VPN is simply resolving an FQDN faster then the one being used by the client... And the client can resolve that by simply using the same DNS server in their internet/wi-fi setting.\n\nThere are also technically ways for a VPN to FAKE low ping, depending on how the game or service handles latency calculations. Some send specific \"ping\" packets, and the VPN can immediately bounce those back rather then letting them travel all the way to the end-user. [https://i.imgur.com/v6Hs0in.png](https://i.imgur.com/v6Hs0in.png)"
}
]
},
{
"body": "Not sure how it is in Russia, but I use a free VPN and don't ever notice it (Northern Europe). I play games that relies heavily on ping, and while it might increase it by a few ms, it's usually so insignificant that it does not matter.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Which VPN do you use?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I use the free version of Proton VPN. Works fast, works well."
}
]
},
{
"body": "Certainly good to know for the future potentially (also Northern Europe).",
"replies": [
{
"body": "\"Ww3 is coming\"\n\"Damn, how's the ping?"
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Most gaming VPNs improve your connection by routing packets straight to the server. I use a VPN everyday, games that normally have 180-200 ping with a VPN I get around 50-60."
}
]
},
{
"body": "The chance of Steam being blocked is very slim. Not zero, but slim. It's like that because Steam blocks anything requested by our internet security service as soon as it reaches Steam's services. But even if they do ban it, 60-70% of us have VPNs and 99% have some sort of DPI evading tool to use blocked resources"
},
{
"body": "lol I wouldn’t be too mad about that"
},
{
"body": "Man, I really hope not. \n\nThey make up like 15-20% of the player base",
"replies": [
{
"body": "😭 what tanker unit will I follow with a truckload of bmats and ammo now?\n\nIt's only ever been russian bros"
},
{
"body": "Do you really think they make up that many? That must be one of the bigger market shades for a western game.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I think 10-20% sounds about right. Remember you only recognize a player as russian if he has cyrilic letters. There are a lot of russian player who have english letters as well.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "On the other hand, Russians are not the only people that use russian language and/or cyrillic. There are many post-soviet independent countries that use mainly russian you know. Or have their own language but alphabet based on cyrillic, different but difference is unrecognisable for people who dont use it, example Ukrainian language.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Andnot only pst-soviet ,some easterb Europe and Mongolia use cyrillic."
}
]
},
{
"body": "This is true. Lots of players with english/german/slavic names from russia."
},
{
"body": "That is a very good point I think I see Russian dudes about as much as I see French dudes at least when I am running around semi randomly"
}
]
},
{
"body": "I don’t know man, there’s ALOT of Cyrilic signs and name tags on the collie side, especially in the back lines. \n\nIt’s very possible they make up quite a chunk of foxhole’s population"
}
]
},
{
"body": "Most of them aren’t in Russia anymore though so not really a problem though"
}
]
},
{
"body": "***FINALLY THE END OF NOD IS NIGH!***\n\nI feel bad for the actually chill guys tho, it’ll suck to not have them around."
},
{
"body": "Did someone say Ventrllo, and Team Speak? I always loved them .",
"replies": [
{
"body": "True, Discord is convenient but there are other alternatives."
}
]
},
{
"body": "[removed]",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Of course you do, look at you'r nickname. Waiting for peace as you, bro, but leave your wet dreams somewhere else"
}
]
},
{
"body": "We still have the Chinese. I will miss that random Ruski yelling to load the artillery quicker cyka blyat."
},
{
"body": "All PC gamers in china have a VPN. It will become the norm there like it is here."
},
{
"body": "The smart ones will use vpn.\n\n\nThen again, the smart ones likely fled last year to other countries when they began picking up students. So it shouldn't have too much of an impact on the playerbase."
},
{
"body": "why?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Because Russia is an authoritarian dictatorship that hates it when their population makes links with the international community. If you jump on foxhole you can easily have a chat with people from all over the world and they’ll tell you their views on things which are often directly against what the Russian stance is.\n\nPutin is terrified of this so they ban everything",
"replies": [
{
"body": "It’s only half true, because when a service in your country stops complying with the laws of your country, that service won’t stay there for long either. Steam was not banned because it complied with the regulator's requirements. Discord didn't comply.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Russian laws are authoritarian and designed to brainwash its people into committing genocide….",
"replies": [
{
"body": "hm. can you say same for Turkey? Or \"no, you not understund, that's different!\"? :D",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Are you trying to say Turkey ISNT authoritarian? They’ve mad a huge move towards religious authoritarianism ever since Erdogan came to power",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I won't discuss politics here, this is not the place for that :/",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Get off Reddit then, and stop commenting on posts that are political like this one and then people won’t reply to you with political comments….",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I'll figure out what to do, thanks",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Good to know man."
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Hopefully russians get banned. I hate playing with them, because of 0% teamplay",
"replies": [
{
"body": "\\*sarcasm mode ON\\* \nI love generalizations of the nation, keep it up \n\\*sarcasm mode OFF\\*"
}
]
},
{
"body": "Most people don't know about VPN. There will be a drop if it happens."
},
{
"body": "What if foxhole devs make a standalone launcher (Just like War thunder or Enlisted), would certainly help those that are stuck in countries that sadly don't allow steam for buying games.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "That would kill the playerbase. I pretty much refuse to play games from Ubisoft or EA that require a seperate launcher.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "What do you mean bruh, you can still play through steam"
},
{
"body": "If steam was banned and they created a standalone launcher, you would refuse to play the game?\n\nI seriously doubt it would kill the game for them to make a standalone launcher when you could probably just still use steam.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "If that was the case I would lose thousands of dollars of games and Foxhole would be the least of my concern. \n\nSteam and to a lesser extent Epic and GOG are the only platforms needed. Publishers/devs don't need their own platforms.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "i think you are using the term launcher to broadly. we dont need a epic style store. could be something as simple as beyond all reasons update play launcher"
},
{
"body": "Ah yes, monopolies"
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "sucks to be you then. the world of gaming isn't only steam... ;) there are a lot of games that are not on steam...."
},
{
"body": "We're not talking about any of those greedy ass crappy game company launchers, but rather a simple standalone launcher who's only function is authentication and updates. Similar to what exists for path of exile or albion online for instance."
}
]
},
{
"body": "Back in my day you didn’t need a launcher to play games. You just opened the .exe",
"replies": [
{
"body": "you didn't use cds? what a zoomer...",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Lol my first PC game was installed with floppy disks, youngin'\n\nBut you still opened the game with the .exe, btw",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I used to have to load games via a cassette tape.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Woah okay grandpa!\n\n\n(sorry gotta do it while I still can lol)",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Get off my lawn."
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "You got me there 🤣\nI did have some games on floppy but never had a working drive to play them since the laptop we had was falling apart :( \nThe old tie-fighter game"
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Underrated comment"
}
]
},
{
"body": "Turkey's dictator went full apesh1t on banning soicial media.\n\n**He is legit mentally insane.** \n \nSomeone has to stop this man before he invades greece and tells us that the greek shot him first and he's returning fire since 5.45AM."
},
{
"body": "Playing games on EU servers without having to deal with russians? The dream.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I m about to reinstall counter strike"
},
{
"body": "Why not just ban everyone not from your timezone, solves the nightcap issue wouldn't it?\n\nAlso messes up a lot of the games flow...\n\nThink please.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Do you even play games? \nGo play some CS EU server, have fun playing with ruski acc made last week and the most obnoxious walls ever, not even stereotyping but majority of the epic gamer chairs i met are mostly russian, either by their very russian profile or spamming russian words in chat whilst being an epic gamer with huge info and +99 aim",
"replies": [
{
"body": "And that game correlated with Foxhole how?\n\n\nDoesnt change that everyone has a right to play this game."
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "If they ban CSGO there will literally be a riot",
"replies": [
{
"body": "riot in russia? lmao",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I guess we know how that would end",
"replies": [
{
"body": "in order for it to end it have to start in first place, which isn't going to happen"
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "I hope so"
},
{
"body": "RIP to 404th and AIR brothers",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Hope not"
}
]
},
{
"body": "Russian government has been using discord to radicalize our youth for years now.. can't return the favor. Bet st Petersburg will still be pumping out disinformation on there."
},
{
"body": "They probably all have VPNs but I hope that this does not affect them it's very sad if it does"
},
{
"body": "I would think most russians have vpn to escape state surveillance"
},
{
"body": "How am I suppose to know which of my collie friends are gonna teach me new swear words?!"
},
{
"body": "They really banned discord? If thats true, thats so good.",
"replies": [
{
"body": ">They really banned discord?\n\n\nYes, and that's including Russian troops using it in Ukraine\n\n\n https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-troops-discord-drone-attacks-shut-down-ukraine-war-2024-10",
"replies": [
{
"body": "There’s no fucking way that they were using Discord for military comms….\n\n\n\n…oh my God they were using Discord for military comms..",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Both Russian and Ukrainian soldiers have been documented using Discord. Also looks you double commented btw",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Thanks. Typical Reddit being Reddit again"
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "[deleted]",
"replies": [
{
"body": "youd be surprised at the amount of 'they wouldnt' shit going on lol"
}
]
},
{
"body": "The soldiers use Starlink and mobile Internet, so the blocking of Discord did not affect them much.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Not sure how is that related since both Starlink and mobile internet are both internet providers while Discord is a messaging service used by the troops to coordinate attacks\n\n\n>Ekaterina Mizulina, head of the para-governmental internet group Safe Internet League, warned that Discord is \"very actively used in the SVO,\" the Russian abbreviation for special military operation.\n\n\n>\"There are separate closed conferences for watching videos from drones and other equipment. Discord gives the highest quality picture,\" Mizulina wrote on her Telegram channel, calling the ban a mistake."
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Ask China"
},
{
"body": "Just added steamcommunity, this only concerns the workshop and the community, steam itself, where you can buy and download, still works and will work.\nMy 70GB games download in 30 minutes, with a VPN the installation would take much longer",
"replies": [
{
"body": "lol you think Russia is gonna allow you to hang out in a space where people will tell you about Russian atrocities?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "ДА"
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "VPN. But I could do without NOD.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Some of them do become good players, or join other regiments... Don't just diss on an entire group.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Do we really need the damage before they (might) get good? Get them out!",
"replies": [
{
"body": "So newbs aren't allowed to play?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "There is a difference between noobs and ruzzians.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Is it the spelling?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "No, it's that one of you seem to hate one and seem to love the other. Take a guess.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "It's a game why would I hate anyone?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I had the same thought until the ruzzians began to commit war crimes against my people.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Why do you play a game? To separate yourself from reality. If it's not this than find something else. Do not seek to find correlation between your own enjoyment and what happens in the real world. Your own hobby becomes a burden. Hating an entire race is misguided. Do you hate the child that was just born in a hospital? No you hate their government. Did you know Rose Namajunes said Zhang Weili represented Communism just for being Chinese? I was born in America does that make me Communist as well? Now I'm not trying to distract from reality because its fucked. But this is not the way.",
"replies": [
{}
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}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Wait what?????"
},
{
"body": "Well rip NOD in that case.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Good ridance",
"replies": [
{
"body": "How can you people be actually celebrating shit like this?\n\nOne day It’s going to be us and where all gonna wonder where it all went wrong 🤷"
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Lol, discord was banned for all the shady things it is used for and it's already works again. \nNo one is going to ban Steam. There's literally no reason to.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "“Free flow of ideas and thought” is the only reason Russia needs to ban things. If anything doesn’t push the Z narrative then they ban it."
},
{
"body": "Imagine believing the Russian government 💀"
}
]
},
{
"body": "im not worried about it. the perceived drop in players will not be noticeable even if there is a ban. lots of players from that part of the world already are using vpns to play."
}
]
}