{
"post": {
"title": "Supporter packs are 25% cheaper if you buy in Russian RUB",
"selftext": "[deleted]",
"url": ""
},
"comments": [
{
"body": "[deleted]",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Can confirm, just attempted. Was charged for it, but got an error and no pack. Phone call to reverse it was surprisingly quick. Some Indian chick btfod me about \"regional limits\" but w/e",
"replies": [
{
"body": "\"Thank you come again!\" some Simpson character named Apu"
}
]
},
{
"body": "Can confirm. Direct debit. Didn't work.\n\nEDIT: Within 20 minutes of the purchase, the refund already sits in my bank account. These guys work *fast*."
},
{
"body": "Wouldn't this work if you just paid directly with a credit card instead of paypal?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I'd get so many fees by trying to pay anything that isn't USD. Hell, I already get a very small fee when doing USD.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I guess at that point it varies based on your bank to see if the savings from converting at worth it"
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "I assume if you used a Russian VPN it would work",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Don't think so, I think it has to do with paypal knowing what country a account belongs to and therefore it's getting restricted.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "You don't have to have an account though? When i use PSC i just buy the code and enter it without any account."
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "[deleted]",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I know that you can get banned on steam if you do this, not sure how GGG handles it",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Do people seriously buy games directly from steam lol? Last time I bought something it was 19,99 on steam. I ended up paying 4,04 - 4% or some shit.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "> Do people seriously buy games directly from steam lol?\n\nLol wat, how can you possibly think otherwise?\n",
"replies": [
{
"body": "arrrr"
}
]
},
{
"body": "lots of people do. steam sold games for 3.5 billion in 2015 and its not going down soon. its convenient and there's good sales quite often"
},
{
"body": "Yes. In fact, if you don't you're in the minority by *far*\n\nSteam is far and away the most prolific gaming platform on PC",
"replies": [
{
"body": "[deleted]",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Yeah, humble bundle and steam tend to have different sales though, so you can get better deals by checking them both :)"
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Yea its same as just pirate it if u buy it for nothing"
},
{
"body": "> Last time I bought something it was 19,99 on steam. I ended up paying 4,04 - 4% or some shit.\n\nMath checks out..."
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Yeh the reason they lower the prices in russia is because the average citizen has a lot less expendable dollarydoos. Its really dishonest to get it for cheap by VPNing to russia, and i know most games i play you arent allowed to do it.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "It's clever use of game mechanics."
},
{
"body": "They have less money so they can charge them less and still be profitable. Sounds a lot like were being exploited because we make more. ",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Lol"
},
{
"body": "or you know.. dont buy it if being better off than them is sich a problem for you. ",
"replies": [
{
"body": "So, we won the cold war only to have them undercharged for shit? Heh, fuck that. Let the Russians pay as much as we do. \n\nSeriously though, I live in a poorer state in the US, can I get cheaper rates on stuff to?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Yeah I'm from Canada and we make less. Why am I paying in usd? I'm also from one of the poorer provinces, can I pay less?"
}
]
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "Only thing I could find is : \"To the greatest extent permitted by law Grinding Gear Games reserves the right to alter the terms and conditions relating to any Points which you have previously purchased\". I'm assuming it applies to packs as well, not just pure point purchases. ",
"replies": [
{
"body": "OK but this is about the law wherever you live, not GGG t&c"
}
]
},
{
"body": "[deleted]",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Different people are complaining in those cases though I think."
}
]
},
{
"body": "A bunch of people received permabans for doing the same thing on wow with brazilian pesos",
"replies": [
{
"body": "i thought brazilians used reais (hey-eyes)?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Which is how they got caught."
},
{
"body": "lmao"
}
]
},
{
"body": "Brazilian pesos no teu cu, aqui é real caralho",
"replies": [
{
"body": "huehuehuehue"
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "These damn Russian hackers"
},
{
"body": "please let it be, im from singapore and paying in USD hurts my wallet"
},
{
"body": "For those who don't know, the average Russian makes 450$ a month, and this doesn't really work well in Russia, because wealth is distributed very unequally even in the same wealth classes. One will be making 600 and another 300. This is why the Russians get cheaper packs. Why would you abuse something meant to help those in a pretty bad spot, I am actually happy GGG realized how bad things are in russia, and was willing to cut them a break. ",
"replies": [
{
"body": "In Poland people make the same and I pay full price in $. Doesn't seem fair.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "GGG is trying to reach to people like you, but they just started this implementation. If it gets abused, rather than you getting the option for a discount in the future, it may just get removed altogether."
},
{
"body": "Your room cleaners really get 150-250$ in month?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Strange question. Minimal wage on contract in Poland is around 350$ after taxes. Some people, especially on east side have lower earnings. Situation is getting better lately but change is faster on West side."
}
]
},
{
"body": "it's not fair to compare how much you make. Average Russian spends more money for cloth because temperature difference is higher, he spends more money on moving from home to work because distance to travel is bigger and engine eats more fuel when it's cold outside, he spends more money for quality medicine because everyone has to pay for insurance which is low quality and then you pay again for every visit to doctor in non-state medical organization which can provide quality examination and a lot more stuff like that. Obviously we get to save on some stuff like education and cheap software and internet, but overall we have to spend bigger % of our salary.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "What? Poland is no tropical Island. How you pay more for clothes? We get -20 C in winters as well. You sometimes dependand on the region might get probably-40 but from what I heard it is more friendly than our winter becouse of humidity. Distances are bigger in Russia but you have a lot cheaper fuel and gas do again seems like a strange argument. I paid for private visit to doctor 60$ becouse I didnt want to wait 10 months for a visit. I don't want to argue which country has it worse and by what degree but your arguments seems to be a miss."
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "With modal salary on the level between 260$ and 430$\n\nKappa"
},
{
"body": "excuse me,mister poor but low wages like that exist in a lot of european countries and we still have to use that expensive EURO to make purchases\n\nwhy would you think GGG wants to cater only to poor russians with that offer?\n",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Oh I am not from Russia, but the answer to your question is simple. It's a new thing they are trying out, if it works and isn't abused I can see them quickly implementing the same system for other locations over time. Any time you want to implement a new system (especially when money is involved) you test it on a small sample first."
}
]
},
{
"body": "Well may be they should have thought about this sort of thing before they tried out the whole communism thing, then let the people running the government sell everything to their friends on the cheap.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "By they do you mean GGG? Because if not, you're derailing, since the discussion is about something GGG implemented. (not a bad thing, means you're creative, just has no purpose on this thread).",
"replies": [
{
"body": "By they I mean Russia.\n\nI am being deliberately sarcastic though. In the US we've finally figured out Russia isn't necessarily our friend (I remember seeing some hilarious poll years ago were most Americans after the cold war thought Russia was our friends and most Russians thought America was their enemy). So, we're busy witch hunting them and what not.\n\nWhat is really going on is just trying to make the packs attractive to buy in respective regions. I'd be careful though, in the past I've seen some really absurd pricing on Steam games and such, and it does become annoying when one region pays significantly more. "
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "I emailed GGG asking about this actually, no reply yet. Using Canadian currency is bullshit with Paypal. \n\nI asked if it was fine to use RUB/THD instead of USD, as I'm converting anyways, and the only thing I was concerned about was if they were going to be losing significant money.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Actually, not only GGG, but many companies do (Blizzard is a great example) put their stuff for lower prices than the actual conversion for regions with 1$ lower than 1US$. BUT, this prices only apply if you have a credit card FROM that specific region. Otherwise you have to pay the full value in US$ OR your local currency."
}
]
},
{
"body": "Thanks Donald."
},
{
"body": "What method though?\n\nI live in South America and I checked some of the methods Xsolla offers that are usually cheaper than credit card/paypal and they were actually more expensive than using my credit card directly on poe's website. Meaning it's somehow more expensive for me despite not having to pay international transaction fees or currency conversion fees.\n\nIt's usually about a dollar or less in fees every time but I still prefer going through Steam because adding funds to my wallet is done in local currency and when I purchase things in game, it only charges what the dollar is worth that day. No fees, no bs on my end... I do wonder if ggg gets a fair share or if Valve keeps an absurd amount."
},
{
"body": "I'm assuming there's something in place to prevent you from doing this.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "At the very least \"morality\". ",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Well... morality... i wont make friends here but at the price GGG sells their mtx, Morality is the least of my concerns"
},
{
"body": "There is no morals in gaming, scrub.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "kek"
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "As is buying Steam games. "
},
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{
"body": "It was only a matter of time before we started a currency arbitrate game for supporter packs."
},
{
"body": "Focking flippers"
},
{
"body": "The point of the supporter packs it to \"support\" GGG for making such an awesome game. I don't think that it sits with me right about trying take advantage of some kind of loophole. If I decide to support GGG I would want it to be real support and not me trying to get shit for cheaper. ",
"replies": [
{
"body": "So I'm not supporting GGG when I buy stashes during sales only because I'm getting them for a cheaper price than usual? Doesn't make a lot of sense.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "The sales are of course fine. They are not a loophole, they are by design. ",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Buying something in a different country isn't a loophole. It was by design that it was available there."
}
]
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "I pretty mad when I see that, I feel I got scammed :("
},
{
"body": "[deleted]",
"replies": [
{
"body": "The lower end of the wealthy Russian class make 450$ a month when converted. Need I say a more?"
},
{
"body": "> Why the fuck we are paying higher than Russians?\n\nBecause Russia destroyed their economy, so the least we can do is give them a discount. It's basically socialism in video game prices. Russia sucks more, so they pay less.\n\nIn all seriousness though, it more than likely has to do with the fact that Russians are not as likely to pay as much, so they are trying to price things in such a way to maximize sales."
}
]
},
{
"body": "Ахахахахахахаха! \n\nI was wondering when you would notice"
}
]
}