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"post": {
"title": "Breeding for passive skills",
"selftext": "Alright folks after many many hours of experiments, and hundreds of cakes, this is my current understanding of how passive skills are passed down via breeding. \n\nIf you breed a pal with one skill with a pal with no skills, there's a nearly 100% (100% in my experiments, confidence is like 90+ percent though atm) chance that skill will be passed down to the offspring. \n\nThere is always a chance (probability varies depending on the number of skills in the parents) of offspring having a random skill or skills, in addition to skills from the parents. \n\nIf you breed parents with two skills each, there's a roughly 50% chance any individual skill will be passed down.( Something like a 20-30% chance of getting all 4~low confidence on that number)\n\nIf you breed two pals who each have four skills, there's a roughly 30% chance that any individual one of those skills will be passed down, and it doesn't seem to matter if the parents share a skill, it's still roughly 30%. This means that if you're trying to breed for a specific combination, it's better to do a 3/1, or a 2/2 and try to get the perfect four. \n\nI'm not an expert or a statistician or anything, I just examined these results via rudimentary probabilistic modeling. I did not take into account dominant or recessive genes. I'm not entirely sure that they don't exist in this game, but I haven't found much evidence that they do (legendary maybe? I haven't experimented with any legendary. Lucky is not dominant)\n\nI welcome any and all criticism of the theories/data above, especially any counter examples. \n\nAlso, if anyone has datamined the passive skill formula, obviously that would be very helpful.",
"url": "https://www.reddit.com/r/Palworld/comments/1achyaw/breeding_for_passive_skills/"
},
"comments": [
{
"body": "What if you breed pals with overlapping skills i. e. to get abcd is it better to breed \n\n​\n\n​\n\nab + cd or abc + bcd\n\no",
"replies": [
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"body": "Overlapping doesn't appear to help. Based on my data its better to go ab + cd",
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"body": "Weird and interesting. Good to know ty!"
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{
"body": "how about abc + d",
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{
"body": "Trying abc + d. Not working out great",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I'm just trying to get to abc"
}
]
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]
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"body": "Will AB and nothing result in high chances of getting AB passed down to the child?"
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]
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"body": "Ive been breeding Anubis with the abc + Bcd method...it took about 100 eggs for me to finally get a single perfect abcd Anubis.So either i just got unlucky, abc + bcd Method is terrible OR breeding in general is just REALLY hard to get all 4 passives.Trying ab + Cd method right now hopefully itll work better since im trying to get atleast 5 Perfect Anubis.\n\nThat being said anyone know if having 2 \"Perfect\" Pals breeding would have a higher chance of having Perfect Babies? Abcd + Abcd\n\nEDIT: AB + CD seems to be the way...i got 4 perfect Anubis in about 30ish eggs compared to 100+ eggs for 1 perfect with abc + bcd",
"replies": [
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"body": "Do you know what happens if i breed AB and nothing? I'm trying to get a perfect Anubis myself, but I got swift and serious on a Malpaca and would love to breed it 'upwards' to get those stats on a Penking. Is the best way to do that AB + nothing?",
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"body": "Las habilidades que coinciden entre padre y madre suelen repetirse en la cria con mayor frecuencia, la cuarta tiene una probabilidad creo que del 30% de salir en caso de que sea la madre quien la tenga, si es el padre te vas a comer 100-200 huevos. \nLo suyo es ABC(Macho) + ABCD(Hembra)"
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"body": "1/25 en mi caso al menos."
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]
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"body": "I was trying so many combos and finally ab + cd worked after ~10 eggs"
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"body": "After breeding using AB + CD and got 4 Anubis, was there at any point between that time when you changed to either of these combos?ABCD + AB (or other two trait combo)orABCD + ABC (or other three trait combo)\n\nLets say using AB+CD you got a ABCD after about 30 eggs, so I was thinking of switching to the latter ABCD + ABC. Would be interested in knowing if you tried or if this could possibly end in good breeding results.",
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"body": "I did ABC + BCD for about 100-120 eggs before i got 1 Anubis..after that i swapped to AB + CD and was getting a ABCD Anubis about every 10-20ish eggs. Maybe even less then that because i wound up with about 7 ABCD Anubis or so and i dont think i did 70 eggs with AB + CD"
}
]
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{
"body": "Well that seems annoying counterintuitive."
},
{
"body": "Yo he tenido 2 Anubis perfecto criando, en 100 huevos he sacado 4 crias perfectas con los 4 stats y sus IV's iguales a los padres."
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}
]
},
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"replies": [
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"body": "what about abcd + none? Have you tested it?"
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{
"body": "I try all the guides that I've read on reddit for me personally\n-From\nA(Lucky)\nB(Serious)\nC(Artisan)\nD(Work Slave)\n(*Pal have no skill other than that)\n\nI breed AB+C and i get ABC like 1/4\nAnd then I breed ABC+D i get ABCD in 2/4\n\nC+D even B+C or B+D didn't work for me that i get more skill and hard to breed next gen\n\nABCD + 0 didn't work either"
},
{
"body": "What about ABC + BCD?"
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{
"body": "\"I used a mod to reduce the breeding time to 1 second and to use berries instead of cakes.\"\n\nOh well. Guess this is the only way I'm willing to do breeding. Just getting into it, but realized the cake stuff is out of control, too much grind and time.\n\nWhat's the mod name?",
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"body": "Thanks, company laptop blacklists nexus, I couldn't check it, will at home. That sounds bad, have your saves also gone?"
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]
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"body": "Can you confirm what determines the offspring? (I know there's the breeding chart). \n\n\nBut I have a Univolt with Swift and runner. If I want like a Suzaku to have those passives, is there a chance to get a Suzaku offspring from breeding a Suzaku with a Univolt?",
"replies": [
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"body": "No, the species of the Pal will always be determined by the chart. There's no randomness on that.",
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"body": "^ yeah ive never seen anything violate the crossbreeding formula. \n\nWhat you could do is follow a chain, slowly breeding up to Suzaku. Would take many steps though",
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"body": "\\^\\^ The calculator I use has a fastest chain field (at the bottom):\n\n \n[https://palworld.kimpton.io/](https://palworld.kimpton.io/?parent1=101.0&parent2=101.1)"
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"body": "Ive learned that it’s number based, every pal has a breeding number and you can do (x+x)/2 and the answer corresponds to the breeding number of another pal, which is then the one that gets birthed \n(X= each parent’s breeding number) \nThe numbers is kinda interesting but it was easier to just use a calculator site for this than learn the math lmao"
}
]
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"body": "What about a parent with 4 passives and the other parent with no passives?",
"replies": [
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"body": "I'd love to know this too. Also what happens if I breed one with 2 passives and one without passives (to spread the traits on different genders and across all my needed pals)"
}
]
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"body": "Can you please provide your data or an idea of the sample size you based this information on?",
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"body": "Its not the biggest sample size, so I'm aware its not the best data but:\n\ntotal breeding instances \\~ 110,\n\na + b =15\n\na + none = 23\n\nab + cd = 26\n\nabcd + eabf = 30\n\nand a few other breeding pairs to test if there are obvious dominant skills (ie lucky)",
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"body": ">Its not the biggest sample size, so I'm aware its not the best data but:\n\nI can also add onto this. \nAbout 270 AB+CD breeds, 16 ABCD children (about 1/15 or 1/16\\~)\n\nAbout 60 ABCD + ABC breeds, 4 ABCD children (i dont know why this was such a high outcome) \\~\\~ 1/15\\~ (case by case, i do not believe having dupes is a good way to breed, i do believe in the AB+CD method, this one i believe is an outlier) \n\n\nAbout 30 ABCD+ABCD breeds, 1 ABCD child. \n\n\nBy no means is this an \"accurate\" chance of getting a ABCD child in \"so or so\" breeds, but these are my outcomes, hope it helps."
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]
}
]
},
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"body": "Does the passive of the parents matter when breeding? Let's say I have both parents with negative passives does the result have a negative passive as well?",
"replies": [
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"body": "Late here but if you haven't found an answer, I've bred several Anubis and one of the parents has Glutton as a negative trait. Each Anubis has had the glutton trait so far"
}
]
},
{
"body": "Do we have a spreadsheet for this?"
},
{
"body": "Does anyone know if you can have multiple type boosting passive skills? For example \"Ice Emperor\" and Lord of the Underworld\" passed down to one pal?",
"replies": [
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"body": "yeah I'm pretty sure that would work if you breed the passive down on to it",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Can confirm, been breeding since I asked this question on this post and I just got one with \"Legend, Musclehead, Ice Emperor, and Lord of the Underworld\""
}
]
}
]
},
{
"body": "yeah ive noticed attempting to breed 2 parents that each have 4 identical skills to each other, i usually have to have somewhere between 40-60 eggs to get the offspring to have that(some variance and lucky exceptions, but those arent counted in the average). however attempting to breed 2 parents that have 3 skills each, only 2 overlap, i noticed a significantly higher outcome of only one of their collective stats breeding down, along with 2-3 random stats neither parent had, as well, it typically takes 50-65+ eggs to finally get the one i need that way. suffice to say by the time i finally have this auto mining base ready, i \\*will\\* have enough faleris to max condense all the ones im putting in said base"
},
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"body": "What appen if i breed an ABCD + A?"
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"body": "Also this may be a dumb question but:\n\nI want to breed a super fast pal. I currently have one with nimble, runner, AND swift. I am breeding him with the same species of pal who has Runner, Swift, and stronghold strategist (latter doesn't matter). \n\nIf the offspring were to theoretically obtain all of the speed stats (let's say matching the first ones speed stats), will it be faster than its parents? Or are the passive skills set/do not increase further through generations? I feel like one of my swift/runner pals is faster than another swift/runner of it's species and previous generation but I could be seeing a pattern that isn't there.",
"replies": [
{
"body": "I've since learned that no, passives don't increase/stack stats-wise. What they are is what you get"
}
]
},
{
"body": "What about if you INTENTIONALLY want mutations... still trying to get a jetragon with swift but not having any luck so far..."
},
{
"body": "How hard would you say it will be to make a breed with parent 1 having abcd and parent 2 having nothing to get child with abcd?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Ive noticed breeding a Male pal with all the skills you want onto a female pal with no skills seems to get perfect passdowns fairly often, or a female with one matching skill"
}
]
},
{
"body": "If I'm trying to get s Blazamut with Flame Emperor, Musclehead and ferocious do I need the parents to have those skills or can I breed a pal that has flame emperor with one with no skills and randomly get one of the other 2 skills I'm looking for?\n\nSo it would like like\n\nFlame Emperor = A\nMusclehead = B\nFerocious = C\n\nA + _ = C\n\nAnd then I could breed\n\nA + C and then randomly get one that had B",
"replies": [
{
"body": "Technically possible but the odds would be very low, may take a ton of tries to get the one random skill you want"
}
]
},
{
"body": "Hmm I'm currently breeding AB+AE (E is a skill I don't want, haven't gotten the other traits I want in about 40 hatches this is stage 3 of 5 XD). That E is motivational speaker and its appearing nearly every egg. I'd say around 70%. I actually think having 2 with the same trait actually makes the other non common ones more dominate."
},
{
"body": "Is there any evidence to show that the skill position i.e slot 1-4, has any effect on the results?"
},
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"body": "If 2 two pals you wanna breed both have 4 passive skills with the offspring necessarily have one of those? or is the amount of traits they get from parents limited? I have 2 Anubis I wanna breed since each of them have 1 passive skill I want, but i would like that it would have the possibility to roll on the other 2 passive skills\nOr am I better off trying to breed another Anubis without 4 passive skills from other pals other than my 2 Anubis?"
},
{
"body": "Does anyone know: making the egg comfortable while incubating, does it increase the chance of getting the passive skills from parents?"
},
{
"body": "Hey ! Do you know if i breed two digtoise lvl4 active skill the baby will be born with the lvl 4 skill? Or i have to condense for the baby too?",
"replies": [
{
"body": "you'd have to condense too",
"replies": [
{
"body": "WHHHYYY thats just mean... but thanks for the anwser !"
}
]
}
]
}
]
}